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On Premise Swingers Club - SLC - 'Church' Busted for Prostitution Takes Religious Freedom Too Far Church Not What the Constitution Meant By Isa-Lee Wolf Takeaways COMMENTARY | Sometimes you just have to give people credit for creativity. Phoenix police have busted a church called the Phoenix Goddess Temple, alleging that it was actually a front for prostitution. According to CNN, authorities claim churchgoers received sexual services in exchange for "donations." Twenty men and women have been arrested in regard to the church's practices of so-called "neo-tantric" healing; police are still seeking 17 more individuals. What makes this case so interesting is, if the allegations are true, the great lengths of planning undertaken to skirt the laws against prostitution. People tend to believe the First Amendment serves as a blanket protection of religious groups, shielding them from the general laws of the state when laws and beliefs are in conflict. Unfortunately for this group, that interpretation of freedom of religion does not always hold true. Glenn Hudson, a club owner in Dallas with the same perspective, also tried to get creative, calling his alleged nightclub/drug den a "spiritual organization," reports CBS News Dallas/Fort Worth. After his bust for running an unlicensed dance club, he claimed it was actually a youth outreach program, getting the young people of Dallas engaged with their spirituality through dance. Meanwhile, four undercover visits by police yielded 15 separate drug buys. But the Fenix/Darkside wasn't Hudson's only supposed religious group. He also owned a spiritual organization/swinger's club called The Playground, where people could allegedly watch pornography and have sex. The Playground garnered the city's attention for being housed in a building with a "certificate of occupancy for a church, mosque or synagogue." Dallas ordered both clubs permanently closed. Such creativity in using freedom of religion to shield a group from law enforcement can have tragic results. In a much darker example, polygamous sect leader Warren Jeffs sought the protection of freedom of religion to avoid consequences for his abuses of children . His lawyers argued before his trial and he now claims in his motion for a new trial that his "marriages" to children as young as 12 were protected by the Constitution, according to Reuters. Jeffs was convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Religion is addressed in the first clause of the Bill of Rights for good reason. The framers of the Constitution knew what harm religious tyranny caused, and how the beliefs of the minority could easily be trampled by the majority. But trying to hide unsavory acts under the mantle of freedom of religion is an affront to all Americans, the religious and the non-religious. The religion clause is meant to protect that which is most personal, most fundamental: the individuality of a belief system. While arguments like those of the Phoenix Goddess Temple; The Playground; and, particularly, Warren Jeffs, wave the banner of religious freedom, the claims are hollow. Worst of all, manipulation of the spirit of the religion clause is an abuse of the gift of a freedom once unknown in the world.

Rude comments can stop members from sharing. - - You know. I have heard it said that noone ever made a monument to a critic. If you want to post the pictures, please post them. For those who will never have a monument dedicated to them, may I say, grow up. Everyone sharing this site should be able to reasonably express themselves in words or in pictures as they so desire. Just as you don't want to be judged by others for being a swinger, neither do swingers wish to be judged by ignorant, self-absorbed other swinger critics. Above all, acceptance of others should be our credo here on this site.

Cruise - pricing - You guys are really bitching about paying $2000 for two people for a 7 day lifestyle takeover cruise? I heard Utah people were cheap but come on. Let's break that down per day... $285... per couple... per day... We've been many places that aren't nearly as nice as being on a cruise with 2100 swingers and paid a lot more than that for just hotel rooms. Throw in car rental and food and you're out even more. So what if you're paying $600 more than what they charge for a regular cruise... you don't have to worry about children and you're around people you can actually have fun with. Sounds like the extra money is worth it to me. And have you ever been on ANY vacation when you fly? Add in airfare, liquor, tips and gratuities as well. You're not getting those things free on most other vacations anyways. Did you go to SwingFest? The rooms there were $300 a night! So if you can't afford this cruise, don't knock the people who put it together, we've been waiting for something like this for a long time and they deserve to make a bit of money off this because I'm sure it wasn't easy. And you're probably the ones who bitch about there never being any events or parties for lifestylers, then when someone puts one together, you bitch about it because they make a dollar for their efforts. We'll be on the cruise and we'll be glad to see those who aren't cheap on there with us.

Utahns, Do you think that you will see... - - [quote=FREANCY69]why not if a man can have two or three wives then a woman could have multiple husbands make it fair unfortunately polygamy is more about control than pleasure and love [/quote] Sorry, I can't just let that that one pass without shouting WRONG!!! to everything after "unfortunately." Saying something like that is a lot like saying all swingers are completely immoral and irresponsible. Just like anything else in life, including swinging, it depends on the people doing it. And, again like everything else, the bad ones, like the FLDS, get all the publicity, so a lot of people who don't know better, through knowing poly families, think it's all like that. ~ Terry

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - Posted By: XXXTASYX2 Reply posted on: Jan 8, 2008 - 9:11 am For couples that are not looking for a single male, yet are constantly contacted by single men with an email that says something like, "Does your hot fuckin' wife want my big cock tonight?" they begin stereo typing. Once that happens, less and less of them will try to discover who ANY single male is. Suz If they are not looking for a single male, single female, hobo on the corner of 5th and Main, etc, etc, why would they bother to discover who the individual is? I'm not turned on by blonds (for example). If you are blond, why would I bother to even look any further?

Singles who are married and cheating - - JenandBrandon: Spot on! If you can't discuss this with your spouse, 1 Don't do it! or 2 End it and move on! Don't drag them down into the gutter of lies deceit and broken trust. Blueeysinutah: You are honest, and discrete. You're right your kids don't need to see this. But the fact that you are honest with your husband, whether he agrees with you or not (as you are separated and seeking dissolution of your marriage) shows the kind of integrity, so quickly evaporating from our larger society, that is to be commended. T4REAL69: If you mean to imply that having open sexual relations with others means that as swingers we have no right to define any morals, there are plenty of places in which you may live in your sainted paradise. In our experience the greatest thing we have found among REAL swingers is integrity. This is one of the greatest and most anciently recognized virtues. Without that societies based on social contract of any kind will revert to total lawless brutality. The concept of "The Rule of Law" is a social contract, and has no hold where integrity is absent. As for our part, we do take self proclaimed singles at their word with the honor system. We appreciate the honesty of those who do tell us about their situation, and decline any opportunities to play with them, as we don't need any of that kind of drama (buckshot anyone?) Even for those who are in the lifestyle and have a "hall pass" we will make a best effort to confirm with all parties that it is ok before we do any play. We do not feel it our place to "out" anyone whom we have discovered as a cheater, as this is something between them, with whomever they are espoused, and with whomever they are involved. If push comes to shove, we will however not hesitate to "throw them under the bus."

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KUTV News Story on Swingers - News - The woman featured in the story contacted Heidi Hatch and not the other way around. Swingular became a featured part of the story because this woman included the site, as part of her tale of woe. The story was one sided because Heidi Hatch only spoke with one person as a reporter. She may have chatted with a lot of us under false pretenses. Obviously, KUTV news had a lot to do with how badly the story was presented. I would suspect there is at least one intelligent, insightful reporter somewhere with in the state that would be willing to present something less opinionated and in depth. Maybe Doug Fabrizio on KUER radio would be willing to turn his considerable talents toward an insightful investigative report. Mr. Fabrizio would probably read some of the better literature about the lifestyle in preparation and open a profile identifying himself honestly, as a reporter. The catch is he would need to be able to interview quite a few couples and singles within the lifestyle and probably actually attend a meet and greet, with an invitation, so as to have a first hand experience sans the sexual part of it. Well unless he and his wife were so inclined. With radio west being a radio program there would not be any faces revealed, but I think to be interesting the story would require a few couples willing to talk openly on air. That would be hard to find.

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