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Extramarital Affairs and the Lifestyle - Where do you stand? - There is another issue here, playing with a married male or female posing as a single. Or, swingers having sex with a vanilla cheater. It does go on.
Looking for a few good men - SM's to join SesSy group - [quote=UCANTOUCHMYMONKY]Hi meow,
Your post brings to mind a few points of contention among people in the lifestyle. Some would argue that swinging is implicitly a couples game and that singles of either Gender are not truly swingers. Positions from this camp range from a belief that singles of either gender should be disallowed from the lifestyle to those who believe that only single females should be allowed because of the greater degree of bisexuality among women than men. I can certainly acknowledge that bringing singles of one gender or the other into the bedroom is not the Desire of some couples, and those interested in encounters with single males are certainly a minority. With that acknowledgment, I can say that I also believe that swinging has a different meaning to every one involved in the lifestyle, and to borrow a term from a different thread, that meaning can be very dynamic in that it can change as different experiences in the lifestyle can open new doors and awaken new desires. For most this evolution of self discovery and self understanding is a good thing. I think a variety of choices within the lifestyle helps to promote this kind of self growth.
I would further contend that the definition of the swinger has more to do with one's personal belief systems then relationship status. case in point, relationships and both in and out of the lifestyle end. If a person has come to identify themselves as a swinger, are they any less so when they are no longer a couple? I think not. This brings up another interesting facet of the lifestyle as it continues to grow and evolve. In my experience it has become fertile ground for like-minded singles to meet, date and come together as couples. I much preferred dating single females from the lifestyle over vanilla women because we start out with far more in common with each other as the people we truly are. When I go out with a vanilla woman she always seems to be hiding behind some fa
Any advice? - Recent birthday brings changes..... - So...having just recently turned 93 years of age, I have a few questions.
1. I enjoy the meet and greets but thinking it is going to be more and more difficult to find a "parking" spot for my walker when I'm out "break" dancing.
2. Are swingers really kind enough to help me up off the dance floor after I "break" something, and get tired of "peeking up skirts?"
3. What are the chances of a pretty girl actually getting close enough to me to allow such a peek?
4. Is there ANY real chance I'm still gonna get any "action" here? I have lots of popcycle sticks and rubber bands..so that isn't an issue. I have a hot 42 year old wife to reward anyone that helps....
Ahhh..so many concerns...and questions. Maybe it's just time to "hang up the spats" and stick with the nurses in the ER for the extra curricular stuff....
STD Testing - How often are you tested? - Just the totally Mormon ones. Love to see the looks on their faces when we describe what we like to do with other swingers. [em]Emo_84[/em]
If your family or non swinging friends found out you swing - -
First off, GREAT QUESTION!! It's kinda like those "What If..." comic book tittles you see now and again about your favorite super hero if they didn't turn out the way they did kinda thing. In this case it's about swinging and what if (insert relative or friend here) found out we were swingers?
We live in duel worlds--church and mainstream--where if folks who know of our faith found out about us would certainly shun us out or pray us to Jesus. Our relatives would freak I can imagine because we are "certainly out of line" for getting involved in this lifestyle.
Funny, I bet secretly many of them wished they could be this open about sexuality and free to let their hair down and be able to talk and participate with other adults in this way.
Ed and Brenda
San Diego Visit? - Any swing clubs people can recommend in San Diego? - IT has been a while since i posted on here or was active on the site but I am heading to San Diego for a week or so and checking to see if anyone knows of a good place to go to for swinging activities in San Diego area? Whether regular bars/clubs that are populated by swingers or swing clubs or groups...hope to get some help thanks!
The unbearable burden of proof. - Congratulations! You have an opinion. Why does everybody else have to agree with it? - Well, this certainly seems like a 'diverted extension' to me. But, since you did ask (and publicly), here goes:
People often tell others what they've done, to demonstrate that they have a certain amount of experience doing it. Simple enough. And, in remarkable contrast to your opinion, it's not necessarily to sound intelligent or to give credence to an outrageous postulations. Sometimes they actually know what they're talking about.
Unfortunately, you can't assume that just because someone talks about their experience, they really don't know anything.
As to your comment concerning years of experience...(and you immediately zero in on computers...hmmm...wonder what that's about?)
1. As T4REAL capably put it, the kid from college has 'book smarts', but often lacks the real-world experience to make that training useful. Give me the vet every time - and if you listen, you'll find many who will echo that. Probably a majority. Why? Because the vet's not only seen more real problems, but they've been involved in more real answers.
I recall a quote along the lines of "The biggest fault of youth is inexperience". While the young grad *cannot* have the benefit of experience the vet does, it *is* possible the vet can have the experience and the (recent) academic exposure, as well.
2. My mom - an educator herself, with degrees in all sorts of stuff, told me once, "I went to college to learn what I didn't know". (Little play on words, there - she was a languistics teacher). What she meant was that, beyond high school is another type of learning - broad and still detailed. You really begin to realize how little you actually know about things when you're exposed to further education. You gain an advanced perspective, which in turn makes you realize you know diddly, in the grand scheme of things. (Happy Mother's Day, Mom)
3. "Any more than 5 years of doing something allows a person sufficient enough time to become calcified into a single-mindedness that allows the world to pass you by anonymously." Nice pile of words...but, sure - it does 'allow...sufficient time' - but, again, it doesn't guarantee anything.
If a person does anything for *any* length of time, and doesn't work to keep current, they will fall behind what is current. But you have little way of knowing how current people are, just based on some post on an Internet swingers site. Five years of doing something doesn't automatically mean someone's fallen behind, either.
And the 62.5% of all statistics you cite? Well, doesn't that mean 37.5% are completely legit? (No matter the fictitious percentage *you* make your point with, it's complement will always oppose you). Again, trouble here is you have no way of knowing whether a given citation is accurate or not - but you can't just assume they're all wrong.
Again, as in our recent discussion elsewhere - I put my opinion out there, and I have no problem letting others read and decide for themselves. Some people (*ahem*) seem so interested in contradicting others, they get far, far away from the matter at hand.
You may find it interesting to know, I'm not really formally educated much beyond high school and military technical training; I hold no degrees, and very few certifications, proper. What I know about PC's I've learned almost entirely on my own. To be honest, I'd prefer a guy who learned because he really had passion enough to learn on his own. This is one reason I have so many machines at home...it's a hobby, but it's also a huge test bed; a training apparatus. And I've been training for over 25 years (sorry, I'm sure you hate me saying that).
On the other hand, with no more education and certificates than I have, I did actually run a reasonably successful business for a while. I've managed to support my family at a level *well* beyond the means you'd expect from my education alone.
So, it's possible that I do know what I'm talking about, although I don't expect you'll ever acknowledge that. It's OK, I don't really require your acknowledgement.
I do realize I'm making a few assumptions here myself. While this isn't necessarily about me, it damn sure smacks of it; not at all subtle of you.
Still, I've tried to indulge you, without attacking you or being insulting. I hope you learn what there is to know from the responses to your post.
And T4real - excellent points!
Swinger Cruise - Fun for all - We are going on a Swingers Cruise in April. It is a full ship Swingers takeover (1000 couples) cruise out of Tampa to the Caribbean. Go to www.theswingercruise.com. They have a couple of cruises per year.
Bogeys Nightclub in Clearfield - A Habits style club for northern swingers? - We agree, a lifestyle friendly hangout in Davis county would be awesome! I know there are a lot of people up this way in the lifestyle that could use a place to meet others in a casual setting. I remember when Bogey's was packed every Friday and Saturday night, but now it is empty. Sounds like a great opportunity to "take over" the scene. Anyone interested?
Anyone been to Thursday Night SwingersCircle Las Vegas? - Anyone been to Thursday Night SwingersCircle Las Vegas? - [quote=NEWANDTHRILLED]Buttabing, you can't be on the list. The party does not list who will be there. You have to register (purchase tickets) online and then show up. You get a phone call about 2-3 hours before the party to let you know which hotel and room number. We have attended 4 times and had a great time all 4 times. As to who shows up, mostly average of any Lifestyle event. But you really should read what the party is before you go. It is NOT a meet and greet. It is for REAL swingers.[/quote]
There are other sites than this one and yes, they had a list. We are glad your experiences have been good. As stated before, just our experience.