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Best lifestyle in SLC - - You should check out "Club Habits" if you get a chance. Lots of Swingers meet there on the weekends. Chill atmosphere, and music!
Denial - What is the proper way to turn someone down. - Your worrying about it too much. Hope this doesn't offend, but really you are over thinking it. I'd just do what you want to do and not worry about what everyone feels or thinks. The only thing you SHOULD do if you don't want to get a lot of emails telling you how stuck up you are, is just be NICE.
Being NICE is actually pretty hard for some people and I still don't understand why. As for answering the mountains of board mails you will get on this site, Don't stress it. We used to think we should respond to every email and I'll tell you right now, it's impossible. We made a rule really early and that was that your friend request would only be approved if we did in fact know you personally, or if the one asking had made some effort to get to know us in a Chat room, or by email.
One thing though that I would advise you as newbies on this site. If you allow your "sexual preferences" to dictate who and if you will meet someone in the lifestyle, then you are going to miss out on it's rich experience. Not everyone you meet that you may develop of friendship with is going to want to fuck you. So I'd not worry about meeting new people, even if they are asking to be your friend online. The key is always controlling how you'll meet people (which is easy) and then letting things take their course.
As for the "old" factor. You both are going to be really disappointed then with the "No one over 35" rule. The average age for Swingers in the United States is 35-45. Your wife is fairly young, she feels funny about guys my age being her Dad's age, well the feeling is mutual. Contrary to what some women might think, it's not all about the tight ass and perky boobs. But as for a friendship (non-sexual) why the hell not?
If your patient, friendly, and get out there and meet other swingers (like the parties), I think you'll find what you are looking for in sexual partners. I also think in some cases newbies are pretty "fixed" on what they think they want sexually. But after 4 years you may notice that what you "thought was ideal" is no longer the case. Keeping an open mind is pretty important in anything in life and it's not a bad idea in regards to swinging as well.
Good luck to you guys
Habits Saturday night - Any couples or single ladies want to join us? - We hardly ever see any swingers when we go there but after about 10 it get so crowed in there it hard to see anyone.
What were you for Halloween? - - Halloween seems to be high holy days for swingers at least around here. Did you dress up and go to a lifestyle party? We didn't know if we would for sure be in town so we had to come up with some quick last minute costumes. Ms. Evil was Ines Sainz...super tight, lowcut top, tight jeans, overstuffed bra, ubiquitous sunglasses on top of her head, press credentials and her microphone complete with TV Azteca logo. I was a NY Jets player, Jets jersey, eye black, towel wrapped around my waist with one of Ms. Evil's strap-ons poking out under the towel. The only Jets jersey I could find was Mark Sanchez so after more than a few drinks when clueless people kept asking who/what I was supposed to be I smeared some chocolate on my upper lip and told them I was a "dirty Sanchez". ;-)
Is it ok for a man to be bi only when a womans present - - Psychologists have postulated that sexual preferences is like a line. At one end there is Hetrosexuality. At the other end of that line is homosexuality. At any moment in time or place or condition anyone may be anywhere on that line. Some people believe that they are at one extreme or the other thus they are either gay or straight...
Mostly because of cultural and environmental circumstances, men are conditioned to be masculine, the hunter gathers and the strong silent type. Steadfast and independent, able to handle everythign by himself....except nuturing children.... Women on the other hand are conditioned to nuture children....of either sex and therefore there is no real stigma attached about kissing or holding people of the same gender....
In recent years some men are beginning to question this conditioning... and turning to what was called, "if it feels good do it" of the 60's. More men are declaring that they may can slide on that line and can be bi under certain circumstances. Unlike their femine counterparts bisexuality for men seems not to be so much about having any feelings or attraction to other males but more about whatever feels good at the time... There is no sacrifice to a mans "Manhood" if he goes down that lines from time to time or even decide that under the Play situation of sexual fun that some contact is OK, whatever that contact may entail.
Somehow some people think that any excuse is necessary to justify bi play.... If one is confident with themself and can take the attitude, " dance like ther's noone watching" then what is all the bigotry about bi sexuality with men but Ok or actually almost required in Females.... I love to hear Joe Shit the Ragman saying "I'm openminded but I don't like bi men" or "It OK for them so long as I don't have to be around them" "We're openminded but bi males are a risk I just don't want to deal with" NUFF said... I'm straight but not closed minded... I've said it before... If there are 2 or more couples in a pile and someone starts sucking on your dick and it feels good do you look down and tell this guy to stop? Do you look at all? And what's thedifference if you don't know...? Ever thought of being involded in a glory hole? what if there's a guy on the other side of the wall? And finally do you realize that you are sucking someone elses cock by proxie when you kiss your wife and you are swingers and at a party....? Just food for thought ...No punn intended.
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Bea and Alex
Club Habits on Thursday or a better place to dance? - Thinking of going there but its kareoke night... - Just want to get an idea of how the place is on Thursday nights. Never been on a Thursday night and it is Karaoke night, so, I assume there is no dancing? Where do the swingers go on Thursday night to dance?
Vegas next week - Not this week (11/3) but next week (11/9) - The Adult Indusry show in Vegas is on Jan 8th, 9th, and 10th.
The three clubs that are having swingers during that weekend are Cathouse, MIX, and ASIA.
IF you want to get in with the in crowd of local swingers get with PerfectLV. Think they have a website.
Do your friends and family know about your lifestyle? - - All I have to say is its our Lifestyle... Not my familys.
Most of are frineds are Swingers....
I have nothing to hide, all of my family are LDS and if they found out i was a Swinger, they would probley never talk to me agian. But if i have to except that there LDS, why cant they except that we are swingers...IT SHOULD WORK THAT WAY,BUT IT NEVER WILL...
The only one i dont want to find out is my son, and right now hes to young, but i dont want playing in front of him. Hes only 2 yrs old but i dont want it to be confuseing for him...I will tell him when hes older. My non- LDS family knows that we are, and they can really care less..
as for everyone else if they find out, Oh Well....
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! - - Merry Christmas to all on the State-side! (we hail from Ogden, normally) We've met a lot of awesome swingers in Utah and hope to meet even more in the future when we return. XOXO!