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Find Nudist Swingers - - Looking for Nudist Swingers in West Michigan,around 50 or older

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PICTUREDICK,

Before you do what a lot of individuals do on this site and make presumptuous comments, get to know the history of the website a little. The site was called something else when it started in FL. Rob, the founder of "Swingular" seperated from the co-founder of the original site. He moved to Utah and began marketing it here. That is why it is more prevelant in the two states. Polygamy in the local history has nothing to do with the amount of swingers on this site. It has everything to do with localized marketing efforts. The only people involved in polygamy in Utah are now mainly extreme minority offshoots of the LDS religion, like the FLDS or "Fundementalist Latter Day Saints" Church. They are shunned by the mainstream LDS church. They are the very reason many people today, still attach the word "polygamy" with mormons. I too, once presumed such things about them. After living amongst the mainstream members, I was quickly educated. I wasn't slamming you, it's just that we have a lot of individuals here that would rather presume or assume than take the time to research. It's kinda like people thinking most Texans are ignorant racist rednecks. While there will always be those that are true to the stereotype, it hardly means we should make such presumptions about the majority, when visiting. Hell they still hold KKK rallies in the south. There are lots of pitchforks and torches on swingular LOL!
-Don-

Those damn single men! - Where do they fit in this lifestyle? - IronHorse, We've been to lots of clubs that allow single males and frankly all we ever see is the single male floating from couple to couple, striking out time after time. Honestly, we've never seen the aggressive drunk females or couples you mention. Not saying it doesn't happen, just saying we've never witnessed it. What we've seen is near eruptions from pissed of husbands who get tired of running off the unwanted single males. Do the single males get watched more by the club operators? Undoubtedly, but those few that ruin everything bring it on themselves and, by extension, others who don't deserve it. We've had to witness countless female members of couples politely try to brush off the unwanted advances until the husband is close to blowing up. If the club is ran right, the operators step in and, yes, the single male gets bounced. But, damn, he deserved it! He not only wouldn't take no for an answer from that woman, he never got a clue from the ten before her that politely blew him off. Too many single guys think women in the lifestyle are just out looking to pick up a guy and act like they are in a singles pick-up bar. They forget those women have husbands - some of whom don't even like the fact that single guys are in the place. Others may have been actively seeking a single guy until that turd walked up, grabbed a boobie, and asked the wife to fuck him then and there. That wouldn't work in a singles bar and it ain't gonna work in a swingers club. As a friend of mine is fond of saying, that dude couldn't get laid in a whorehouse with a fistful of $100 bills! But his actions then reflect on all single guys and not just in that club. How many people leave thinking that's the normal behavior of single guys - because it was all they witnessed all night long? It sure isn't fair to single guys who are good people and it creates barriers that they then have to overcome. True story here. Last time we struck up a conversation with a single guy in a club that allowed them we found him to be friendly and fun to talk with. Nothing happened but we enjoyed talking with him. Next day I'm online and here's this guy's profile. That's funny, he told us he had just flown in from San Francisco, didn't know anyone in town, happened on the club by mistake, etc,. etc. All a lie because there's his picture, he lived in town and had for quite some time, and admitted he went to the club every Saturday There was no need for him to lie at all. So why did he feel the need to do so? Got him the same treatment we reserve for couples who spend all their time trying to impress us with the "things" they own - they get blocked and ignored.

Orgy Party by Swingers Circle in Las Vegas - - We have been talking about going to that too! Looks like fun but are a little hesitant. If you do go we would be interested in what you guys thought. We are looking at going to Vegas either the ending of March or first of April sometime.

Do you mix your vanilla and lifestyle friends? - - We tell anyone who is a late night friend, ie: serious friend, vanilla or not that we have an alternative lifestyle. It has made things so much easier. Our vanilla friends are closer. We make it very clear that we don't have any interest in sex with them for concerns about ruining what is a already a good relationship. I am not talking, work vanillas, they don't need to know. I am talking about people with whom we go dancing or bar hopping. Why lie about who you really are? The whole reason for jumping the hurdle that is the "lifestyle" is to be free with who you really are. Then you are supposed to hide it with people who are supposed to really care about you? Nope. Because of this, it is really cute when we throw a party or get together. The vanillas spend the whole time excitedly trying to guess who the swingers are. Most of the time it doesn't take much to guess. This reminds me of what got us started on this course. We threw a mostly vanilla roller skating party with some vanilla friends. They invited a whole bunch of people and we invited a whole bunch of people. We invited 3 couples who were swingers who did not know or probably didn't care to hide what they were. The vanilla couple invited once swinger couple totally unaware that they were swingers. We got very outed that night. lol It went really well so it carried over as a "good idea". Piper

Hey all you "totally secure couples" - Just in case you got it wrong you have methods to recover your loss. - that was entertaining, but notice the host's conception of swingers. anyways... "I'll sue your ass!"

Friend collectors or swingers - - Hi we are from vernal and we would like to get to know u guys if u have a kik we can all chat together my kik is robinak1999 if u would like to chat we are looking to get to know a couple and have regular meet ups hope to hear from u

Sturgis 2009 - - When and where is the Testy Festy... have heard about it but not too sure what it is, but have heard swingers have a way of letting others know they swing. We will also be heading back through Helene on our way home....

Single Males - - [quote=EVILDOERS] ...get a girl to join you....Not only do you now "bring more to the table", but you have the added credibility that if you can find and finesse a girl into joining you in this little adventure we call swinging (whether it be a girlfriend, a wife, a second cousin twice removed, or just a hot fwb) you might just not be a giant douchecopter.[/quote] Ignoring the need to "finesse" someone and unhealthy gender stereotypes in general, this line of reasoning is a little troubling as it presumes that a male's company is inherently worth less. Or that an absence of semi-romantic relationships somehow speaks poorly of his character. I personally think approaching someone whom you aren't already fairly close with and soliciting to go to a swingers party is a bit out of line. Especially if her company is sought as an accessory to demonstrate to others that he is not, as you say, “a douchecopter”. Call me old-fashioned. [quote=EVILDOERS] I know we can't be the only people who secretly wonder just a little bit about some single guys and why they aren't with somebody. Do they secretly hate women (yes, we've met some that actually do), are they just too lazy (or busy, maybe...but hey, we're all busy) to find someone, are they serial killers and/or just not very nice guys? [/quote] Oh, I hope you are! That's a really unfortunate outlook to have. Promising relationships take time to find, let alone build to the requisite amount of trust and stability to try things like this. In the mean time, I don't see anything wrong with someone pursuing their interests while still holding out for someone worthy of their emotional investment. To me, that behavior is quite attractive should be respected! It doesn't get any better than someone who is confident, self-actualized, and motivated to pursue their desires. Sadly, it sounds their gender influences whether this is seen as a desirable trait. I'm not sure how long you've been out of things (30 years?), but it's easy to forget the struggle when you're comfortable in a marriage. Things are more fluid. People don't feel the need to settle down like they used to. [quote=EVILDOERS]I know many will say they've tried and swinging is a deal breaker for most women. After almost 3 decades in the swinging trenches meeting and talking to other people, both couples and singles, we would disagree....many, if not most, women could eventually come around to the idea of swinging once they feel safe and secure in a relationship.[/quote] This is just confirmation bias if the evidence comes from a sample of people you have met while swinging. [quote=EVILDOERS]...those of us who DID put in all the blood, sweat, and tears into a relationship and allow it to grow to the point of daring (don't think for a second we aren't risking a LOT in opening up our relationships to other people!) to allow others access to our significant other sometimes wonder why some others want to take a shortcut to all the sweet swinging bennies with little or no risk on their own part.[/quote] If you're not comfortable sharing your wife with someone you might view as a potential competition, you definitely don't have to. On the other hand, there are a lot of people enjoy it :) This smacks of the old “you must suffer as I did” chestnut.

Swingers cars??? - What ya driving?? - I think there should be some kind of sports car code. When I drive by another new Camaro I roll down my window and yell, " YIPEEEEE " but it doesn't seem to be catching on. Maybe something more dignified like flashing your lights or even just a wave saying, " I see you. We