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GB group - Interest - [quote=CHEFFETTE][quote=MYOHMY][quote=CHEFFETTE]Straight men are afraid that bi or gay men will treat the straight men the way straight men treat women; it's so obvious when they avoid them at every opportunity, yet delight in a bi or gay woman - they know they're more likely to physically overpower a woman's actions.[/quote] That's a mind-cranker there. While I suppose that could sometimes be the case, males who score a zero on the Kinsey Scale may just be creeped out at gay/bi males because they aren't sexually attracted to them and can't relate at all. Not because they fear that some guy will bend them over and rock their anus without permission.[/quote] Are these men equally creeped out by females they don't find attractive, so creeped out they refuse to be in a room w/ them when everyone is naked and there for nothing but sex? Of course not. Funny that the thing you imagine immediately is the anal rape of a straight man by a bi/gay man, the standard homophobic trope that it is despite an almost complete lack of it happening comparatively; do you think that's the only way women are treated by men? It's interesting to me that you call my statement a mind-cranker, then mention Kinsey - Kinsey's body of research intending to be a mind-crank all on its own. [/quote] I am heterosexual. I am not homophobic. I am not worried that someone might think me bisexual or gay just because I have bisexual or gay friends and or associates. In our profile we only checked no to homosexual males because they would not be interested in Mrs. Delicious sexually and I would not be interested in them sexually. So why would we hook up? Bisexual men are not a problem because they will enjoy playing with the wife and if they get a bit of an extra thrill because there is another man or men in the room good for them. Heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality are all normal and healthy sexual behaviors. [b]Rape or any other form of non consensual force, be it physical or emotional are not in any way shape or form normal or healthy.[/b] So having kind and considerate bisexual men, in the room during playtime or even kind and considerate homosexual men in the room enjoying each other would not be offensive to either one of us. It would not excite me but it would not disgust me. Mrs. Delicious is excited by men, so she admits it would be arousing. I am aroused by women so watching two women together excites me. What's the difference? In the end if a man enjoys watching a woman having sex with a man other than himself he is not altogether anti-man. If he prefers watching a woman having sex with a man possessing certain physical attributes he must admit, he has in a way a form of preference, as to the men he enjoys watching pleasuring a woman or in the case of swingers, his wife. Guys think about it the next time you are watching pornography. If a man, all alone, with nobody to judge him, has no desire to watch gay pornography he is either 100% or almost 100% heterosexual. That would be me, I am heterosexual. Mrs. Delicious is bisexual and enjoys the ability to be sexually attracted to and to sometimes sexually enjoy a wider variety of people in this world. We all have to accept who we are before we can accept others for who they are.

Vegas clubs - - Has anyone been to any of the swingers clubs in vegas green door or red rooster?......we've heard mixed reviews. Or any other clubs Or any couples going to be there the end of march that would like to meet up....

Added Profile Information - We need your feedback. - Have seen on other sites a computer match auto search that matches the top 10 or 20 profiles that match what you and the others are looking for. This could save a lot of needless looking into others profiles endlessly. Some dating services are set up in a simular manor and it does have its benefits. Also good to have a place for specific ages you are looking for, or others are looking for. That way us vintage stock swingers would not be viewed as trying to bother the younger generation that may view us as pasture ready.

Ken and Barbie Syndrome...... - is this a real affliction? - So we just read Classy's profile. We find nothing wrong with it. In fact, we agree completely. Wish we had worded ours to say it that well. We also prefer face pics. That is the most important to us.. face pics. besides.. Parts is parts. Just because someone thinks they want to fuck you, doesn't mean you have to fuck them... We may be here as swingers, but we don't have to swing with everybody.. there HAS to be attraction. We realise that we don't appeal to everybody either. :) Maggi & Luke PS. You crack me up UTHOT :)

Bitchfest here...... - - Having been in this lifestyle for quite some time, I've seen more than my share of drama. I think the most common misconception is that everyone is on the same mindset. This is not the case for most. You would think that going to a meet and greet set up on a Swinger's site would be a license to "Act" like swingers to anyone you recognize from the site in a public setting. However, I've learned quickly that because everyone responds differently, it is best to assume nothing and take nothing for granted and put on your thickest skin and expect drama. If nothing happens, and you make a connection with some one or both, then build from there and have fun. I have more fun when I go with no expectations and have them wildly exceeded, than to go full on and have the evening ruined through taking drama filled responses personal. However, I don't think that because some people may have jealousies, that they have the right to treat people rudely. I think there are many who can work on this a bit more and realize that we are all in this to have some fun.

Age quesiton - Do swingers of the same age group swing together? - Age is not a factor for us! With her 34 and me 51 can be close to one but not both. If people are nice and want to have fun we say why not! R & J

Kama Sutra - How many seek the ultimate? - I'm curious as to how many swingers put aside the usual polite chat and routine seduction proceedures to seek out the ultimate pleasures. Are there many out there who are willing to put their conscious minds to rest for the time needed to pursue pure passion with the supreme desire to experience the ultimate all-consuming sensual experience? Share!

Why are people afraid to give out their email address - - Ohhh...I forgot to mention: How very timely things can be sometimes....just recently, on another website (for swingers), I had given a new contact our email address. I did this at his request (a single male), so he could send pictures. He did... ...what he sent was an email that - I really could only guess why - was forwarded not less than 16 times. Apparently, our new found friend has been very busy. Now, I'm sure you've all seen the emails where the subject line is FWD:FWD:FWD:RE: (etc, etc...) I've never realized anyone could be thoughtless enough to simply forward an email with pics to us, when the same email has been forwarded to 16 other people. And it's all right there, "in the clear" so to speak, in his email. Now, think about this: Here's a guy who is telling us he's sincerely interested in her, how he's only interested in making friends and not the typical wham-bam kinda thing. Funny, he seems to cover a lotta ground for someone so sincere. All in the past week or so, I might add. It gets better: at some point...I don't know, maybe he's got two machines and was bouncing pics between them, or whatever...he's also unwittingly included a different email address for himself (which, by the way, told us right away he's not been honest about his name). He's put his own, 'real' email address in there as well! But that's not the part that really relates to the subject of this thread. What does relate is the issue of emails, making rounds you can't even imagine, because of one careless person. I made the mistake of trusting this person - and imagine my horror when I saw how careful he was with the other 16 people's info in there...what if some were completely unaware he was doing that? I bet they are! And now, HE'S GOT OUR EMAIL ADDRESS!!! How many of his emails to others will have our address in it? Ever hear of 'social engineering'? Well, if you haven't, do some research. This is how talented computer people can take a little shred of info about you from here, and a little from there, and next thing you know, your private affairs aren't so private. Sure, we're only talking about swinging sites, right? But, didn't someone above mention work email? Tell me no one ever got the two mixed up - or that no one ever forwarded your email - the one you sent in total confidence - to their work address, intentionally or unwittingly!! Of the 16 email addresses right there in his email, 13 were Yahoo email addresses...now, it's a hop, skip and jump over to their profiles - and now I know even more about the people our friend listed in his email. Interesting to see who all he's been in touch with. Ohhh, by the way? Two of them were crossdressers, says so right there in their Yahoo profiles. What if that somehow found its way to where someone worked? I'll tell you what, I know how these people - the 'social engineers' - go about finding out all sorts of stuff. It so happens I'm not into messing with people like that, or I could have a field day with this stuff. I'm not interested in it, but what if I were? Someone who was a real low-life could start contacting these people, saying things like "I know you've been in touch with X"...or they try to play a confidence game, by dropping names picked up from various sources: "Hey Jimmy told me you're..." after seeing an email from "James" so-and-so. There are countless variations, but these people are relentless - and they're not stupid! Think it doesn't happen? Think again. Every word of what I say above is absolutely true. May not sound like much until you consider all the possible ways it could be exploited. And it happened, just about the time I took interest in this thread. So, I hope this little story helps illustrate my point. I hope it helps answer the original question; *This* is why people are reluctant to give out email addresses. And, maybe they damn well should be.

Single male in this lifestyle.. - I have questions for couples and single females. - At the risk of restating for the millionth time... Cold hard truth time, JOSH. Single guys in the lifestyle are a dime a dozen (that's a really old fashioned way of saying there are a LOT of you). And believe it or not you all claim you're super spiffy dudes (you're not...not all of you anyway). If you all WERE super duper All American boy-next-door stud muffins you'd have girls falling all over you and we wouldn't be having this (single male) conversation for the bazillionth time. So let's do the math. There are a LOT of single guys in the lifestyle (despite some who would argue that singles aren't really swingers). There are fewer couples in the lifestyle and even fewer single ladies (again despite that 'swingles aren't swingers' argument). So even factoring in the fact that ALL swinger females are insatiable minxes who have sex almost continuously there just isn't enough time in the day for them to get around to fucking each and every single guy. Sorry, man. My advice to you, and you aren't gonna like it, is to take all those amazing qualities you possess and find a hottie of your own that you can go out into the wild world of swingdom and share with other people. Swinging really is a couple centric activity. There's a reason it used to be called "wife swapping" and people wearing like disco clothes and gold chains and stuff used to go to key parties. Can you imagine the chaos that would have ensued if a bunch of single guys threw their keys in the bowel at a key party? ps- If you'd rather not find a woman to swing with and prefer to keep your single male status my advice to you would be to grow a very thick skin, become more patient than a Buddhist monk and never ever ever come across as desperate or WORSE pissy that you don't feel like you're getting your fair share of hot swinger tail.

When does interest become pushy??? - - I've been thinking of this topic a lot since it first came out. I appreciate all of the comments made. EVILDOERS said, "Confidence is sexy", and I agree. I see a coupe of things here worthy of comment. First, in this game, women are totally in control. Sex is probably the strongest power position they have. All men want it, women control it. When they say no, or not interested, it's the end of the line for a man. HOW they say it is different. And how a man receives the rejection is different. Anybody who knows me social or professionally would never characterize me as shy. I'm outspoken and engaged most of the time. Because I've been rejected less than politely for advances in the swingers scene before, and after a lot of retrospection didn't deserve the rudeness of the rebukes, I'm a little more reserved, maybe even gun shy. The fact is, in this lifestyle, no matter how good you are, sooner or later you're going to get rejected. The person doing the rejecting may have had a bad day and be less than polite, but it also could be that you're not handling rejection well. Recently at a meet and greet I made an advance that seemed more than just welcomed, almost asked for, but was politely refused. I misread the signals, obviously. That happens to all of us at some time or another. The lady was polite in her refusal, and I think that's the key. I think at some time or another we all will give signals that welcome an advance, but do so in error. When an advance comes that we don't want we can reject it, but doing so politely is key. It's simple common courtesy. If the person making the advance persist, then something stronger may be necessary. Again, common courtesy would be to desist when told to do so. It's all about treating people with respect. We're in this lifestyle to be sexually connected with others. Advances are generally, but not always, welcome and expected. We need to be polite and respectful in both our advances and rejections, whichever side we're on. Mr. Sexperimentors

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