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Are swingers moral? - Who determines what morals are? - [quote]Who determines what morals are?[/quote]
The golden rule is good but moral compasses are different therefore many feel as if they haven't been treated the way they would have liked to be by others.
Murder is one of the only non-moral actions agreed upon by most societies...
Sadly, it is usually determined by this quote from George Orwell...
"Who controls the past, controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'"
Playing Alone - - Couples all have different rules. Many categorically refuse to play alone with ANYONE ever. This is their "security" place. They feel comfortable in the place where they can see each other and "protect" if necessary. It takes some people a long time to get passed this.
It's kind of a 'control' thing leftover from the vanilla life. I'm not saying it's bad, good or indifferent it's just the way it is. Some people take longer to get passed their histories as vanillas than others. As they progress and get more comfortable with themselves, the lifestyle, their partners then they will slowly open up and begin to trust a bit more.
Don't take it personally, that's the key. Many people still hang on to their vanilla background that their partners are their most 'valued' possession. I liken it to my $450 deep sea fishing reel. Sure I'll loan it to someone to use if I'm on the boat with them and can make sure they're taking care of it. Is there anyone I'd just let 'borrow' it out right for the day or weekend? Not a chance in hell.
It takes time to let go of that 'she's/he's mine' get feeling. I think my wife and I took almost 6 years before we got there successfully. We tried many times before that but it never worked out well for either of us. We finally came to a point where it's okay to play separately everything from next room to next state it no longer bothers us. I personally prefer within 30 - 50 miles so she get's home faster for the "after play" sex you're describing (which I really like too.)
You'll have to find a VERY secure, VERY established, VERY strong couple to fulfill your fantasy. They are out there, my wife and I for example but even though we're open to playing separately are we open to YOU playing with her or me separately? That's a different level of trust. Does it mean no? No. It means "maybe" in time it's a possibility. (I'm speaking hypothetically of course.)
Don't worry your "couple" or "person" will come along. You might also try investigating a subsection of the lifestyle called "hotwifeing" while I know few swingers who are hardcore into only hotwifing, there are quite a few that tip toe in that part of the lifestyle (quick def, she plays he doesn't except with her.) That's the post play joy for you and the play and post play joy for her. Most people just bounce between that and swinging. There are people out there just be patient and don't expect it from any current playmates that you have established rules with, they need to progress at their own speed.
Wow What a Party - Black Light party success - [quote=UTFUNPAIR]we had a nice time too but so many peeps and to many little groups so hard to mingle Kathy and Lyle[/quote]
You get that everywhere ya go...hard to not have it happen...just got to be brave and wander from table to table..find someone you know and go from there...or come say hi to us anytime....but at least at 48 you know that everyone there on that side of the bar was there for the party...no guessing if they are swingers like at other venue's....I love that part about club 48...NO GUESSING!!...hehe....kisses
lifestyle camping - - Google Southwest Swingers Jamboree for pertinent information on an upcoming event.
Are swingers moral? - Who determines what morals are? - Simply put If you are Religieus you need to check their deffination of MORALITY.
If you're not then WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN, some form of "God" or "Paganism" etc.
Then Finally what do you Fell and think is RIGHT/Wrong.
CAN'T BE JUST ONE CORRECT RESPONSE.
Mardi Gras unzipped in slc - - We've thrown very large Mardi Gras parties and Halloween Parties in the past,and most people showed because we made them pre-pay for tickets, so they had some investment in the party. Most of them turned out good. What cracked us up the most was--the ones who come and seem to act like we owe them some kind of magical fuck-dust or something; I mean if you are dumb, don't work out, and have a rude personality, just going to a party of people in the lifestyle doesn't guarantee you to get laid or be invited to an orgy. Two times we gave a trip to New Orleans and as soon as we rewarded it we started getting attitude that we owed this person more. No feeling of thanks, but more of 'what else can I suck ot of you'. The Last one we gave a prize to New Horizons in Seattle--our favorite swing club. Got the same attitude from the couple, really even condescended to us. It was really a shame. We forgot to get them a car to drive around, our bad. Gave you a 2000 gift, get your own effen car, cheepasses. Well, anyway. My message here is be thankful for those who try and if you win something, show some effen gratitude. Swingers can be such cheep asses. Pay for the show, enjoy what you can and be more thankful, cause if you aren't you may scare off those, like us, who tried. ;)
We didn't know of this party but we're always up for a good one. We usually invite a couple with us so no-matter the outcome of the party we'll have a good time. I recommend that to those who attempted to go to this party and bemoan how lame it was...so there I am with FUNNESTCOUPLE81. Life is what you make it.
Search abilities for international swingers. - Just a suggestion. - One of the things that we have noticed is that most swing sites do not have anything set up for swingers in other countries. If a site can be set up for each state in the US then why not for each country on each continent? There are many couples who travel to various locations around the world for vacations and it would be nice to know something of the local swinging scene. By broadening this web site to include international customers would that not also increase the profitability of the site? More customers means more cash flow. Postal codes work the world over for sending and receiving mail...these same (ZIP) codes could be used for country location. Just a thought from a happy clam :) happyclam469
Swingers Dares - Text for cards in the game - Question? Why do a lot of these dares have to do with taking a "shot" in them? Why can't they be done without one? That is more of a dare for most people we find in this lifestyle - LOL ;) What about those that don't drink? That is one thing we have found in this lifestyle is some people have to get so fuckin drunk to play, that it does become a turn off. Especially when they want to kiss you and or be all over you and use the excuse they were and or are drunk! Just our opinon, and have found many share it as of late about comments after some parties, and after parties. :P Don't get us wrong we do drink, just not excessivly to where we offend others.
Now for our suggestions. We do a lot of games and have many in our FunDo kit we have created. Most we have found have to at least be respectful that if someone doesn't want something to happen that it is not forced, Swingers or not. We do realize these are DARES and they have a choice not to do them. But what about the ones that don't want it done to them when the other is dared? Example - "......to slap everyones ass ......... that is OK with it" Some don't like this type of play and if they are subjected to it out of pressure and or aggressiveness the party and games go down hill fast. Now if EVERYONE is OK then party on!
Mystery Escape Room - Looking to put together a small group for night of fun - Would there be slight groping involved? Or would all of the energy be focused on actually escaping? What if we werenโt in a big rush to leave a dark and secluded room full of other swingers? ๐๐
Swingers now officially a high risk group for STDs and STIs - Do your own research - http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/crime-clock
In the US:
There is a murder every 35.6 minutes
A forcible rape every 6.2 minutes
A robbery every 1.4 minutes
An aggravated assault every 40.5 seconds
A burglary every 14.6 seconds
A larceny-theft every 5.1 seconds
A vehicle theft every 42.8 seconds
A car crash fatality every 16 minutes
A car crash injury every 14 seconds
A reported crash every 6 seconds
If you live, you play the game. You take certain precautions to protect yourself, but you live in a world filled with risk. And if you play a sport, or jog, or even drive, you run certain risks.
If you don't want to accept the risks, don't do the activity. Doesn't mean if you do accept the risk that you shouldn't take precautions.
And if you are playing in a group that frequently doesn't use protection, you may want to find a new group. We have always used protection, and we have noticed that it is common at all the parties we attend with the majority of couples. Those that do bareback seem to have their own group within the group for playmates. For those that don't most bring their preferred condoms, and hosts tend to provide packs in all the play areas.
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