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Are swingers moral? - Who determines what morals are? - I figure that the golden rule, kharma, and working to better myself as a whole are good morals and make me moral and whatever. lulz. And as far as people thinking morals making you a good person... pretty sure you can be a good person with or without god. :P

Lake Powell 2013? - - [quote=JIGGY601]We would like to join the trip timing sounds good. We have a boat and truck to pitch in we can have couples ride with us if need be. was just curious because we new to the swingers thing. is it balls to the walls or what happens happens no push or a free for all lets hang and have fun.Would also like to know what to bring so can plan. We went last year for the first time and didn't play with anyone, but you could if you want. We had a great time but its defiantly a what happens happens event. If the date works were in, we'll sleep on our boat like we did last year but are more than willing to contribute to the houseboat as well.

Big Love - - OUR favorite as well. THe only wife we don't like is Nikki (or however it's spelled). The new lady in Bill's life is really looking promising. Really like the look of her but also her personality. Shame this is the last round for the show.... What happened to the show about swingers..."SWINGTOWN". That was just getting interesting... I wish that HBO or the like would pick it up and run with it. Not only is/was it about swingers but it is/was a good story line/s as well.

Black Ring, Right Hand - How to tell if someone's a swinger - [quote=BMSHELL][quote=EVILDOERS]OMG! Just had a client walk in and notice my black tungsten wedding ring (I've had one for a couple of years now.) He told me that it I were to wear it on my right hand it would indicate I was gay. [/quote] There are some gays who wear their wedding rings on their right hands (solidarity against "the man" who doesn't let them marry, etc.) -- but "black" isn't a specific thing in the gay community as far as I can tell from some quick research. The middle finger on the right hand is apparently reserved for the asexuals. (People who aren't interested in sex). Although given that there are roughly 8 such people in the United States, I wouldn't stress too much over being confused with that community. If this gets any more complex, we're going to need a right-hand-ring governing body. =) I view the black-ring on a swinger-looking couple as the final checkbox of "oh.. yup.. definitely swingers... look.. both wearing black rings on the right hand". If I just saw a random person with a black ring on a right finger, I wouldn't think anything of it. I would just like to see it become more of a thing in Utah, like it is elsewhere in the country. =) My wife and I wear ours when we go out together for date-night... otherwise we don't bother with them. I know none of this will stop folks from screaming and yelling at how ridiculous it is -- But if you ARE going to scream and yell, don't forget to continuously remind as many people as possible how much credibility you have on the matter because you used to swing with the Flinstones. (On our swingers cruise recently, we DID enjoy the many stories from the elderly about what it was like to swing before the days of the internet... so this thread has become a bit like a free tropical vacation, in that sense!). [/quote] It appears that there is a new profile established for "The Black Ring Society" right here in our home town, and it is not for the elderly, so all these crazy swinging kids, can and probably will start wearing black rings on their right hands as way to recognize people with possibilities and I say that if wonderful. If you want to wear the rings then wear them optimistically and wear them with pride and enthusiasm and make new friends, find new lovers and have as much fun as you can!

Any Swingers out there? Golf swingers that is... - - good call Squeakums. Ready to try out the new Nike driver I won this month. The wife is horrible at this game so some bets could easily won with her. She gives some awesome BJ's by the way.

Why the male side of Couples are here...? - I will admit I am hoping to spark some heated debate on this.... - Well as for me the male half in our equation I do not want to just get laid and I guess I am fortunate but the Mrs. would never think of treating me like a penis in waiting. I would not even consider knowingly fucking a woman that thinks about me or men like that. If that is really what women in the swinging scene generally think then all men, single and in a relationship, should be asking themselves why do they bother. I know there are a lot of women that behave otherwise, and that respect men that do at least dabble in non monogamy. These women would and should be insulted by such a selfish portrayal of who they are. Men that feel you are not worthy of equality get a hold of yourself. Considering who I am coupled with that is easy to understand. My wife is pretty damned special and extremely sexy and we remain extremely attracted to each other and the sexual chemistry is still there and evolving. Yes it is much easier to understand why I would be so captivated by her then the other way around but she loves me and I know how lucky that makes me. We still really, really dig each other. We both have to feel some real chemistry with any potential playmates for sex to happen. When you are happy then why settle so we don't? No interest on either side of our equation to just get laid. We already suspect that swinging will eventually run it's course and we will just lose interest. We seem to be almost totally disinterested in all the big events and only occasionally attend a meet and greet. There is a lot of dysfunction within the community and yet there are a lot of solid self aware functioning swingers. Excuse us but even some of the established rules of safe and fair swinger engagement seem subject to a lot of dysfunctional interpretation these days. Maybe the ease of access to these events that allows all sorts of at risk singles and couples, with at least one person attending that just wants to get laid, to just sign up is a problem for us. For now there is still a place within us for close encounters of the sexual kind with the right sort of friends (Friends we already have thank you for being so cool) but we are NOT someone's dick or pussy in waiting.

Same Sex Marriage - If you support - Simply put... Who are WE (as swingers) to talk about the definition of marriage? Who are WE to judge the "Tradition" of marriage or the "Traditional" definition of marriage? And what does gay marriage have to do with us as swingers? Since we, as swingers, demand the freedom to do with our relationships - and our marriages - as we will, shouldn't everyone be allowed equal freedom? Regardless of their sexual orientation? Marriage should be open to all. Period. A swinger talking about and trying to defend the "traditional" marriage is simply laughable, hypocritical bullshit to me. -Mr. K_T

IS it me or is UTah The place to be if your a swinger? - Utah and swinging - After being on this site for a few days, I have noticed alot of the active members are from Utah. :$: :p Is it the fact that this site is largely based there or is Utah A crazy Fun swingers state?

Hair Removal Risk/Benefit - Hair removal and increased or decreased susceptibility to some STI/STDs - We have an non-intimate vanilla acquaintance, that caught a strain of HPV and could not clear it, that has had numerous surgeries on her lady parts, and uses chemotherapy cream on a regular basis. It’s unsettling to hear about these sorts of health risk, but to ignore the existence of risk is not at all wise. There are preventative measures and then there is the luck of the genetic raffle. Most of us in the lifestyle, well most anyone, who has ever been sexually active, even just a little, and probably the majority of adults, sexually active or not, have probably been exposed to some strain of HPV, and most of us never had symptoms and just cleared the virus. Me personally, I’m strep resistant. I actually seem to be able to kill streptococcus through my own secondary immune system. When the kids or the wife would catch it and be symptomatic and start their antibiotics to kill it, I would test positive, without being symptomatic. Go back a day later and I would test negative. Rather than taking antibiotics for no reason I just sort of stayed away from people until they had been on antibiotics for a day. I don’t get sick but I could carry strep until I seem to just kill it. I have maybe been sick three days in the last fifteen years. Mrs. Delicious gets sick maybe four times a year. It’s the luck of the draw. Neither of us have ever had a cold sore, and I doubt we that neither of us have ever been exposed to that virus. Swinging carries with it higher risk than monogamy. Living an active life of any kind contains some risk and some reward. People say that a lot of swingers are flakes. Maybe they just hold from hooking up until they feel the potential for reward is worth the risk.

City Cracking Down On Sex Parties - - Adam, It's acceptable to be intolerant of bigotry and oppression. ;) As for your lengthy rant, sorry dude you rambled too long. I lost interest. Try to stick to one idea at a time. I mean that with respect and no offense. It's just too difficult to reply to all of that, when it's so all over the place like that. Flatlander, I am not the one arguing. LOL! Spare me your personal remarks. You don't know me. Again, the article says that the city is trying to find anything they can to shut them down. That tells me that they are trying to find any excuse to shut them down. If parking were the only issue, the remedy would be simple. Park everyone remotely in a central location and VAN them in. I don't think it's the only issue. The only other issue is moral and where do morals come from??? Here's a little quote from the article: "When I bought my house, I didn't think I'd be living next to a massage parlor and brothel." What would it matter if there was a brothel or massage parlor in a neighborhood? Prostitution is wrong because Christians say it's wrong. In countries where Christianity isn't allowed to taint government, they have redlight districts. There is plenty of evidence in the article that points at the religious motivation. Another quote for ya.