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Swingers cars??? - What ya driving?? - We have a Land Rover Discovery and a Ford Expedition.
9/11/21 NCL cruise to Alaska - Any swingers cruising along with us. - [quote=PUCHAS]Are there any swingers cruising to Alaska in this cruise. Cruise ends the 18th [/quote] Hope you two have a great time. Would love to know how it went, Patty and I are going on a cruise in late Mar. Bon Voyage!!
Friendship vs. spontaneity? - Are you here to make friends or just to fuck? - The perception of this lifestyle is that there is a whole lot of sex going on between everyone. Maybe if you are young slim and trim and willing to go to bed with everyone at the drop of a hat that is true. But that pretty much describes the young anyway. If that is your perception of all swingers, and you are here in Utah, then you are bound to be disappointed.
I think that this question comes up a lot because it is not a simple question for many of us and it seems to be posted by those seeking friends first. The end goal may be sex. But if that is your only goal then why do you say you are seeking friends. Friendships are not made in 30 seconds or a drink over at the pub. If that is what makes friendships in your mind then you are really just here for sex.
For us it is finding friends. Some folks that we meet we will play with and some we will be just friends with. It really boils down to a 4 way vote when it comes to the bedroom and maybe even being friends in the first place. And that is what makes finding friends and bedroom partners difficult. There is always the added fear of rejection that gets in the way when you want to anything anyone.
I look at all the complaints of one-nighters and couples that never speak again after sex. I can only surmise that for those folks sex is the only yard stick of friendship. You do not have to be sexually compatible to be friends.
We have found that if what you are looking for is friends, then it is easy to be part of the lifestyle. If what you are looking for is based on having sex then it is easy to be disappointed and difficult to be part of the lifestyle.
Furthermore we look at those that just want to screw and think how lonely their existence must be.
Another Swingers Show on TV - - For those of you who use Dish Network. I called and was told that it is not yet on Dish and that a lot of people have been requesting it and added me to the list. So if you use Dish, please call them and request them to add the Discovery Fit and Health channel.
STD/STI Testing - - Actually it was closer to 1981 When HIV became aware to the medical community in the US if that is what you meant by that 1989 date. http://www.avert.org/aids-history-america.htm
HIV and HSV are the two nasties that should be of most concern for most swingers as they are incurable and HIV can be deadly. Both are costly in terms of lifelong medications but also in quality of life. They will be with you FOREVER!
HSV can pass by something as simple as a kiss and or oral.
Do clean test results mean something? YEs and No! Mathematically speaking the risk is related to a pyramid factorial equation. Meaning, for each new partner you have that is untested you are basically adding in the risk of not just that one person (Primary) but all the persons they have been with (secondary) and all the partners that those secondary people have been with etc etc.. HIV has been know to take up to 6 months of lag time from exposure to when it shows up on a test but 90 days is normally considered the standard waiting period. So any primary partner you play with who has been with someone in the past 90 days before they were tested still could have given HIV to you.
Granted HIV is rare. But HSV is not!
HSV cant take 2-3 weeks to show up on test results.
70-80% of the population will test pos for HSV as there are many folks who have the mouth cold sore HSV 1. To keep it simple sometimes in the testing HSV 1 really shows up as HSV2.. SO sometimes this means if you do test positive for HSV 2 it is really only HSV1. This is one reason Planned Parenthood will try to talk you out of this 160$ test
One more thing to add. Most people still think as long as they dont have an open HSV 2 genital herpes outbreak they are good to go. This has been found to not be true. There is a relatively new phenomenon recognized in the scientific community called Viral shedding.
http://herpes-coldsores.com/viral_shedding.htm
Another worry that is rare but possible and I know of a recent case where a person gave someone Oral herpes HSV1 to the genital area of another person.
There is also Chlamydia that everyone almost laughs off because a single dose of meds will cure it! The sad thing is if you got CHLAM you could have got HSV or HIV also as they run together. TO explain this if your had a partner that gave you Chlamydia they could have just as eaisly have given you some other things.
SO what is the safest thing to do. No play with anyone other than your main partner.
But if that is not what you wish then:
The safest thing would be for both Prospective couples to stay monogamous for 90 days and then get tested.
This is all true to the best of my studies but anyone please feel free to correct me.
Monogamy in marriage - An interesting article on the subject - I think the number one reason that a marriage goes off track is the lack of communication. It could show up in fights over money, one or the other cheating because their needs are not taken care of in the marriage, or just about any of the rocks that so many couples run into along the path of married life. One reason I think that swingers tend to be happier and more secure is because without good, open communication swinging can be a minefield. Most that stay in the lifestyle for any amount of time learn to communicate better with each other than many others that do not have the experience of sharing. This summer we'll have been married 35 years so I guess it works :-)
Diane & Max
How to find other swingers - - Kids use wristbands in NC to talk about sex? I am positive that mine get right to the point. I KNOW we taught her about the "birds and the bees" better than that!
Luvbugs (mR.) ;)
Swingular Sucks? No Sexies to Hang With? - REALLY? Ya Gotta Be Kiddin' Me! - [quote=JBVIPER1][quote=PALS4FUN][quote=BUZZY]If you see us on Saturday do say hi we don't bite. At least that is our story. [/quote]Damn, no biting? And I really like my nipples to be ... ummm ... ahhh .... yeah, OK, No biting then! [em]Emo_49[/em] [quote=JBVIPER1]This site should be called Utah Swingers Only.[/quote] Hey, we can't help it if we're a fun bunch up here in Utah! There's lots of stuff happening in Vegas too! (and Florida? although I know that's no consolation for you AZ folks!) [quote=STARSHELL1212]That's why I joined this site. Last site I checked out was a graveyard. I was a bit shocked when I saw all the parties and people around here in UT. So I agree with Pals, I think there is lots of things to do. We got pretty lucky and got contacted by a great couple, and they've been extremely nice about letting us slowly ease in the LS. We have enjoyed time with them, and hope to check out a few of these meet and greets, etc, after the holidays. Hopefully we can run into some other couples that are as down to Earth as the two we've met with. My wife and I are still pretty new, but it's been fun so far. [/quote] It's good to find the right couple to start with! And there really is lots to do, and lots of people to meet. That's really been the biggest difficulty for us -- with family constraints it's difficult to find the time to have all the fun we'd like to have! ;)[/quote] What I have actually received from the Utah members is the rude, attacking tear you down comments. Not what we in Arizona consider a "FUN BUNCH"[/quote]
Well you are very lucky you live in AZ, so you don't have to deal with us rude Utah assholes, you are very blessed!
Traveling - Finding other lifestyle couples while traveling - [quote=SNOEFUN]We are traveling to Atlanta for New Years and was hoping to find some lifestyle couples there[/quote]
Lots 'o swingers in Hotlanta. You could prolly find out if there are some local swingsites there and get like a trial membership announcing your travel plans in your profile header. Just a thought.
KUTV News Story on Swingers - News - This was typical for what passes as journalism in the great state of Utah. Heidi Hatch appears to be a shill for the Mormon church, or just a bad journalist. Based on my views of the quality of news reporting in Utah, and the influence of the church locally, I will go with both.
One concern this story brings up is the level of scrutiny now on the community in Utah and what the the laws surrounding playing and public parties are, especially where on-premises sex is permitted. I can see our own home-grown morality police trying to force their version of reality on the rest of the population and seek to stop these parties from happening.
Anyone know the laws around Utah for these things?
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