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Christain Swingers? - - Great to see this thread going on and not causing anyone to get defensive. That goes to show there are a lot of open minds on this site. I guess it is a part of what it takes to be in this lifestyle.
It is a shame that our society as a whole is not this open minded. I would say, that most people would accept cheating before they would swinging, only because they are used to the double standards in our culture. I find it odd that dishonesty would prevail over the feeling of freedom that truthfulness brings.
STDs in the lifestyle - telling people they're no big deal - Hate to say it people, but if you are scared of STD's, this is probably the worst type of hobby, ativity you can have. Condoms or not the chance of contracting something still exists. Condoms break and the other juices flying around can circumvent a condom or other forms of protection. Especially HPV which is pretty common in sexually active people. It's not life-threatening but can be for women with the increased incidence of cervical cancer. It's like a lot of the other types of non life-threatening diseases, even if they aren't, who the hell wants to deal with something that you don't have to begin with? I mean even if there are treatments available, I'd rather not have to deal with something I contracted for the mere "Want" to fuck other people. See what I'm getting at? Like ThoughtGarden said, "abstinence" is the only way you can guarantee safety. So, again if you are worried, you might want to find another hobby, or just be extra safe and have a great time. It's what we've done and haven't had any problems so far. It's that one time though that could change a lot of peoples opinion on the lifestyle and safety. I do remember reading something that stated swingers for the most part are married, and believe it or not have an incredibly low rate of STD's because they keep the swinging on the inside with other safe, married couples. So, Single guys, sorry you are carriers of many bugs! LOL. Kidding. Screen them too and ask lots of questions. I think we can all have a great time. Find some great couples who you trust and swap until your hearts content.... That's all I got to say about that..
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What really defines a TRUE swinger? - - Didn't read all this but one word sums up swinger to us: SWAR "Sex Without A (romantic) Relationship".
We have our personal opinions, but aside from SWAR, who are we to tell another couple, male, or female what "qualifies" them as swingers?
New Swingers Club in Utah - Gauging interest in new club - I love the idea as an old widower of a nice comfortable place to meet and play.I have attended a few house play parties that were fun as well.
swingers of ameriica is being work on - sorry it is taking solong - OK EVERYBODY THE SITE IS BACK UP . BUT WE STILL NEED A FEW MORE DAYS TO FINE TUNE THE CAM PART . SO PLEASE DONT ADD ANYTHING TO THE CAM PART RIGHT YET . WE WILL POST WHEN IT IS READY . BUT THE REST OF THE SITE IS GOOD TO GO .
I TOLD EVERYBODY DUE TO THE SITE BEING DOWN FOR THOSE TWO DAYS . THAT THEY WILL HAVE 48 HOURS TO BUY ANY ITEMS FOR AN EXTRA DOLLAR OFF EACH . BUT SINCE THE STORM CAME I KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE OUT OF POWER AGAIN AND ALL THAT STUFF . SO I WILL MAKE IT FOR A MONTH .SO ANYTHING U BUY U WILL GET A DOLLAR OFF AT TIME OF BUYING PLUS STILL GET YOUR DOLLAR OFF COUPON FOR THE NEXT ORDER . SO IF U BUY MORE THEN ONE THING I WILL ALSO TAKE THAT EXTRA DOLLAR OFF AT TIME OF BUYING ALSO .SO THAT WOULD BE $2.00 OFF OF EACH ITEM U BUY . AND FOR ANYONE THAT LOSES POWER U CAN USE THAT DEAL WHEN U GET BACK ON . JUST EMAIL ME AND TELL ME AND THEN U CAN GET THE DEAL .THATS WHY I TRIED TO MAKE IT FOR A MONTH . BUT IF U DONT GET YOUR POWER ON IN THAT TIME JUST LET ME KNOW WHE U DO AND U WILL BEABLE TO GET THAT DEAL .
AND IAM TRYING TO ADD TO THE COSTUME COLLECTION BEFORE HALOWEEN . IF U HAVE ANY COSTUMES U DONT WANT NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO ADD THEM FOR PEOPLE TO BUY . I WILL BE GOING SHOPPING SOON TO GET NEW ONES SO LET ME KNOW IF U NEED SOMETHNG OTHER THEN WHAT I ALREADY HAVE .
I WISH EVERYBODY THE BEST DURING THIS STORM . PLEASE BECAREFUL .
NAUGHTY DREAMS
FREAKY KITTY
Here's something Ive been curious about - - Congrats on 10 years in the lifestyle, SLOW. We're old timers as well and have been doing this off and on since shortly after we got married. Over 25 years now! So I guess I can sort of see both points of view and contrary to the current rather negative societal attitude towards political correctness I have no trouble being firmly on the side of being kind to people and not labeling or belittling anyone regarding their participation in the lifestyle. Having said that, however, I can also see the viewpoint of some couples since when we first started swinging there really were no singles (or at least so few that we never met any) actively participating in the lifestyle. A few years later we met a few singles who would, say, hire a hooker to gain access to parties and events or sometimes convince a friend to act as sort of a swinging "beard" if you will, again to gain entry to swinging events. This was all pre-internet so connecting was considerably more difficult than it is now. To say that the internet changed swinging (for better or worse) is a HUGE understatement. I was talking to a guy (formerly single but now in a couple) recently about his experiences as both a SM and a couple in the lifestyle. His attitude had actually changed dramatically. It reminded me of former smokers who now are militantly anti-smoking. His argument (now that he's no longer single) was to take the couples and the singles and put them on separate websites and what do you have? He said you have a swingers site and a hookup site. I told him that there are some couples who actually seek out singles over other couples but he wasn't easily dissuaded. One final point he made that I thought perhaps was a valid point...he said when he first started out as a SM in swinging he thought that all or most of the married guys who enjoyed seeing their wives getting fucked were basically cuckolds or at very least not real men. He said it took him many years and a lot of different experiences to lose that mindset. He also said that now that he's part of a couple who is frequently contacted by single guys he sees that attitude (because he recognizes it from when he had it) far more often than not. He stated that he would guess that the VAST majority of those single guys who don't "get it", the bad apples if you will, the ones who ruin it for the few good guys have that attitude and mindset. He said that's why there will probably always be somewhat of a schism between singles and couples. Whew, that was a long fucking post. Hope it made sense. No more herb before posting, Mr. Evil! LOL
local swingers - local swingers - Local swingers
Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - VP,
Most of the shit in this forum is repetitive. LOL! Thanks for backing up my stance though. I remember that "venting" thread you spoke of. There are always people quick to judge and find ways to ridicule and be intolerant. You should move to Utah. LOL! It's an ocean of fucking intolerance. Was that intolerant of me to say? HAHAHA!
-D-
Gloryhole - Any glory holes in northern utah? - You should go on two for one single male night. All ladies get their choice of any two single dudes and all the condoms they can eat...er I mean use. And any accompanying hubby gets a free commemorative blindfold and bottomless Diet Coke laced with saltpeter. [em]Emo_67[/em]
But seriously...swingers who've never been to Habits?!!? That's like a Mormon who's never been to Wendover. A Muslim who's never been to Mecca. A stripper who's never gotten pole burns. A fire hydrant that's never been peed on. Boobies that have never been to Victoria's Secret! [em]Emo_84[/em]
Didn't Meet Expectation - newbies - As children we are taught a set of rules to live by. I was not taught and I doubt that most of us were not taught to be swingers. In fact I would guess that most of us were taught that such activities were wrong and immoral and that imprinting does not change easily.
We may logically decide to break societies
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