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Here's something Ive been curious about - - Congrats on 10 years in the lifestyle, SLOW. We're old timers as well and have been doing this off and on since shortly after we got married. Over 25 years now! So I guess I can sort of see both points of view and contrary to the current rather negative societal attitude towards political correctness I have no trouble being firmly on the side of being kind to people and not labeling or belittling anyone regarding their participation in the lifestyle. Having said that, however, I can also see the viewpoint of some couples since when we first started swinging there really were no singles (or at least so few that we never met any) actively participating in the lifestyle. A few years later we met a few singles who would, say, hire a hooker to gain access to parties and events or sometimes convince a friend to act as sort of a swinging "beard" if you will, again to gain entry to swinging events. This was all pre-internet so connecting was considerably more difficult than it is now. To say that the internet changed swinging (for better or worse) is a HUGE understatement. I was talking to a guy (formerly single but now in a couple) recently about his experiences as both a SM and a couple in the lifestyle. His attitude had actually changed dramatically. It reminded me of former smokers who now are militantly anti-smoking. His argument (now that he's no longer single) was to take the couples and the singles and put them on separate websites and what do you have? He said you have a swingers site and a hookup site. I told him that there are some couples who actually seek out singles over other couples but he wasn't easily dissuaded. One final point he made that I thought perhaps was a valid point...he said when he first started out as a SM in swinging he thought that all or most of the married guys who enjoyed seeing their wives getting fucked were basically cuckolds or at very least not real men. He said it took him many years and a lot of different experiences to lose that mindset. He also said that now that he's part of a couple who is frequently contacted by single guys he sees that attitude (because he recognizes it from when he had it) far more often than not. He stated that he would guess that the VAST majority of those single guys who don't "get it", the bad apples if you will, the ones who ruin it for the few good guys have that attitude and mindset. He said that's why there will probably always be somewhat of a schism between singles and couples. Whew, that was a long fucking post. Hope it made sense. No more herb before posting, Mr. Evil! LOL

Game ON....which sign is Hornier...(is that a word?) - zodiac signs of swingers? - Missy is a Scorpio Vern is a Libra

Couples Copulating - How the hell do ya match up? - It is the same for probably 85% of us hun. 4 years in the lifestyle and we are still looking for the perfect match up for all 4. Yes, it does happen, but it is not easy to find the right couple and them feel the same way. WAY more times than not, someone is taking one for the team. We have a rule against that, but I am here to tell you that everyone sees something different in everyone.. Very many people get a bit upset when half of the party is very interested and the other half is not. Example: I find a woman at a party very interesting and sexy and she feels the same about me. Well, chances are that my wife or her hubby is not interested. Well, we have been down this road so many times that we just changed our rules to = "OK, have a good time". This sometimes still does not work as the other couple is still in the (COUPLES ONLY) mode... When it hits right and everyone has a great time it makes all the waiting worth it, but until someone lowers their standards you will be part of the 85%.. The other 15% are made up of: We play separately. Everything DOES gel. Hard core swingers and ok, take one for the team. The hardest part is when someone in the "said 4-sum" is not going there and sometimes people feel hurt. What everyone needs to remember is that we DO THIS FOR FUN and we are NOT all exactly what everyone else wants. DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL...... Remember it's all about fun and excitement. If something doesn't feel right, DON'T DO IT!!!! Just keep on having fun with all the people that share the fun in the lifestyle and before you know it you'll be sitting around the table the next morning talking about how much fun you had the night before....

How did you get started? - - Scott was familiar with the subject of swinging though not experienced, I had never heard of it. One day he started asking questions about my fantasies. Over the next several weeks we really had honest conversations about what we fantasized about and what turned us on. After that Scott found a local swingers club so we went to their social dance. It was not until then that I realized there were a lot of people (most, very normal) that also had similar interest in exploring their fantasies. I would love to hear how others got started. Who brought it up? Did they bring it up because they had prior experience? How did you react?

Go turn on Oprah - re:swingers - Well you can show us anyyyyyytime.

Girls that are into DP - How common is this activity among the swingers? - The Mrs. has let me stick a dildo in her vag along with myself but have never tried with another guy. Would love to give it a try. :)

Swingers Dares - Text for cards in the game - My fav version of truth or dare growing up was truth, dare, double dare, promise or repeat... more options, so many possibilities.... this one girl always went straight for the double dare.... she was SO naughty! God bless her. I hope those are self-explanatory, but in case they're not.... promise was, you had to promise to do something at some point, either in the game, or at school the next day, etc... repeat, was, you did it first, then they had to do the same exact thing.... good times!! Have fun with that.... can we be your guinea pigs?

Ideas on Swingers Car Rally..... - Ideas on Swingers Car Rally..... - Great idea ESDA22001! An adult-themed road rally! How awesome is that! So let's do it! Let's see how many people we can get together and from what areas so we can figure out the most centralized location for the trip. Wherever we start, we would need to finish at a lifestyle club. That would be a great way to finish! Count us in. We can help organize this as well so let's team up! Chris & Donna

On a serious note... - A court case that could effect lifestylers with children - IMPORTANT COURT CASE MAY AFFECT SWINGERS WITH CHILDREN NATIONWIDE!!! URGENT NOTICE TO RESPONSIBLE PARTICIPANTS IN THE ADULT LIFESTYLE This Notice is directed to all swingers, exotic dancers, adult business owners and anyone involved in the adult industry. There is a very important legal case going on in the state of Florida which can affect everyone in the swinging and adult community nationwide who has children under the age of 18. Deltadawn who is a fairly well known member of the swinging community in the Tampa Florida area has lost her right to see her 2 1/2 year old baby girl simply due to being a swinger. Deltadawn had shared custody of her 2 1/2 year old baby girl with her "ex," who happens to be an attorney. He found out that she was in the swinging lifestyle and has filed a motion with the Hernando County Court of Florida to remove all of her parental rights, primarily on the basis of her swinger lifestyle. THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE COULD HAVE VERY SERIOUS AND DETRIMENTAL REPERCUSSIONS FOR EVERYONE IN THE ADULT LIFESTYLE. The outcome of this case is critical and could set precedent for everyone involved in any form of the adult lifestyle nationwide. If the argument that participating in the adult lifestyle reflects adversely on parental rights, losing this case could open a Pandora's Box for lifestylers with children across the country. An adverse decision in this action could mean that anyone, gay or straight, with children could be at risk of losing their children and having their parental rights stripped away, simply because of the lifestyle that we all enjoy. Swingers and everyone in the adult entertainment industry would have to live in fear that they may be turned in and could lose their children simply because of our lifestyle choice. WINNING THIS CASE COULD HELP ESTABLISH CASE PRECEDENT AND HELP PROTECT OUR PARENTAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS Winning this case will mean loving parents do not have to live in fear that our legal system, some governmental agency, or some adversarial parent, will have the ability right to terminate your parental rights or take your children, simply because of a lifestyle choice that never involves well nurtured children. The rejection of private sexual lifestyle as a basis for terminating parental rights will set precedent that could serve to protect those in the lifestyle or in the adult entertainment business from unjustified intrusions into their personal lives. Under the U.S. Constitution we should have the right to our lifestyle choice without censure, condemnation and fear of losing our children. Deltadawn has retained Luke Lirot as her attorney in her fight to maintain her parental rights. Luke Lirot is one of the premier Constitutional and adult civil rights attorneys in the country (you can do an internet search of him to verify his credentials). He is constantly traveling all over the country defending peoples civil rights and is a true champion of justice. He is constantly in the newspaper and often appears on television nationwide. As any lawyer, he depends on his clients to provide him with a living, and Justice comes at a price. Deltadawn needs your help... We need all people involved in the swinging community and adult industry, nationwide, to reach into their pockets and contribute to her legal defense fund by donating what help they can to attorney Luke Lirot. THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE COULD HELP US ALL Please make checks or money orders payable to: LUKE LIROT, P.A. (Please write in "Deltadawn Legal Defense Compensation" in the memo section of your check or money order) For further information, please contact: Luke Lirot Attorney and Counselor at Law 112 N. East Street, Suite B Tampa, FL 33602 (Tel) 866-387-8469 (TOLL FREE), OR 813-221-9533 (Fax) 813-221-9175 Email: [email protected] We sincerely appreciate your goodwill and support in this urgent and important matter! POST SCRIPT FROM LUKE LIROT: This legal battle is truly tough. Deltadawn's lifestyle experiences are being used as a weapon to try and take a loving child, much in need of her mother's love, away from her. To stop this effort, we must employ every possible tool at our disposal. We need the services of psychologists, social workers, and other professionals to show that Lifestyle characteristics, never revealed or foisted on any child, have no detrimental impact on children. Under Florida law, like virtually every other jurisdiction in the nation, the factors evaluated by the courts are whether parental contact "is in the best interests of the child." To do this, we need to show that participation in the Lifestyle, in and of itself, does not make anyone a bad parent. There are only a few formalities. Under Florida Law, Rule 4-1.8(f) of the Rules Regulating the Florida Bar governs "Compensation by Third Party," and allows for parties unrelated to the litigation to pay fees and costs on the clients behalf. The Rule states: Compensation by Third Party. A lawyer shall not accept compensation for representing a client from one other than the client unless: 1)The client consents after consultation; 2)There is no interference with the lawyer's independence or professional judgment or with the client/lawyer relationship; and information relating to representation of a client is protected as required by Rule 4-1.6 (confidentiality of information)." If these conditions are acceptable to you, and you care about this important case, we would welcome your help. These donations are not tax deductible, but they are evidence of true human kindness. Thank you! -Luke Lirot-

Hotel Check In - - [quote=THE_RED_REVIEW]Anyone who works in a hotel for more than a few months will see some pretty freaky shit. Swingers are probably kind of mild compared to some of the things that they encounter.[/quote] I was the night time financial auditor at the U of U hotel for a few years and saw some interesting things. If it were at the Motel 6 instead of at the U, I'm sure it would be even more interesting. The security guard was some old guy that couldn't do shit so often the desk staff would ask me and the janitor to assist. I didn't mind the people coming in for a quick fuck as they were hardly ever a problem. It was the drunken party frat kids or convention attendees that caused the problems. [quote=SUGARSANDSPICE] ... Hell, I would ask for a quantity discount and have them get to know me by name. [/quote] Haha! I did do that for a few people I got to know well. Often I would charge them for a small room but give them a suite. [quote=INVITESOME]Tip the front desk person $20 and they will give you late check out and tell the other guests to deal with the noise. Money talks. [/quote] Agreed. Treat them and the hotel right and they won't care. If someone complains, I would just say we will ask them to be quiet but I hardly ever would. Only a couple of times I would have to do it. I even had a 'system' with the regulars I mentioned. If they were making noise, I would just call their room and let the phone ring once and hang up. They knew what was up. [quote=INVITESOME]Fuck the hotel staff.[/quote] That is always a good option. It always made might night better to be invited.