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couples gf? - has any couples thought of this or had/have a gf - [quote=ABCMAN][quote=ASSETS][quote=VIRANI]is it wrong of me to believe that no girlfriend of a couple should expect anything beyond sex?[/quote] nope. I think the same... if a girlfriend expects more, then she is just setting herself up for a broken heart and disappointment.[/quote] It's not that easy. What if the man falls for the girlfriend. It is possible to love more then one person romantically, it happens all the time. Even friends of mine who have cheated on their wives, still love their wives, it's not just sex to some of these men. Sometimes I wonder if "Swingers" or "lifestylers" get so paranoid about falling for someone that they miss some of the fun that comes with sexual play with those you care about or ...cough...love. Love isn't something that is always controllable or a feeling that always can be tamed. I've read these posts for years, and it happens all the time in the lifestyle. Couple "A" plays with single male or female, they play often, soon one of the couple is in love with the secondary, then all hell breaks loose. I just asked myself, why? That person you fell in love with originally is still the same person, they may love someone else as well, but they in most cases still love you as well. Shut down the social conditioning that tells you it's wrong! So is swinging by the way if you listen to those religious cultural voices. Talk it over with your spouse, let them know it's okay to feel what ever they want to feel. Keep those communication lines open, and often the "fallen" partner will realize they love two and they do not have to love only one person. Sorry for the sermon, but I just cringe when I read these replies where people attempt to deny what makes them fundamentally human. It's okay to love others, even if they are not your spouse. Just remember who you are going home with and who was by your side the last umpteen years.[/quote] I used to work for a MORMON sex therapist... his usual statement" Love is easy... for the most part it requires the right emotion and the right impetus.... It's the RELATIONSHIP that is hard." I love many of the bodies/minds that I've touched... but I've never found a satisfaction better than what I've discovered with a husband of 17 years and our two amazing kids. I don't need anything from outside sources but a chance to see "what's out there..." Perhaps that's the real difficulty... analyzing our motives and admitting our jealousies. For example, I consider myself flat chested... It's why I LOVE encounters with buxom women... but I am willing to admit that my interest comes from a place of jealousy ... I don't ignore jealousies...I use them to my advantage. I am not girlfriend material... Monogamy bores me. But I do fit in with the group of couples who want full honesty.

Small Admission Fee - Come join us but pay a small fee - God I love a bashing party and with nothing to do can't resist jumping in. Even though I love to be a smart ass sorry Dave I can't bash you, you did nothing wrong by defending yourself against this garbage post and have harmed me in no way so maybe another time. As for the rest of you that have spoken wisdom and given me the right to express mine I thank you. Now Mav I would like to know how your created such a following with your words of wisdom or maybe it's the smell of horse shit that attracts them. You have made a total of 6 comments. First Comment I'm all about helping cover hotel costs but "bring a bottle and a small admission fee of $50" seems rather excessive. Shouldn't the costs of the room be divvied up evenly? This seems like prostitution to me. OK I was the dumb one here thinking it was a legitimate question and answered it not knowing you were about to name and judge someone you had no right to. Now your second comment I love and my favorite reason to bash anyone that chooses to make newbies feel stupid then feed them garbage that makes no sense.. I wonder how many good people left the site thanks to you. I understand newbies can say some really dumb shit at times but unlike you I try and give a real answer GILDETHRILL wrote I would say $50 is fine for single guys! To help pay for the room cuz all your really going to be doing is fucking the woman that come and 90% of the time men out number the woman! But if there was a party that the woman out numbered the men, then the woman should pay to cover costs! Spoken like a total nube. Member since August 2014. Mav you said. No, it is not all right to discriminate. If you like that scene, go for it. Or you could have some class and hold out for the couple/single/group that truly appreciates you. WTF are you saying he is discriminating against women, men, money? Did you tell him anything that made sense at all? Now my answer to you GILDETHRILL would be why don't you do one for yourself and tell all the women for fifty bucks,,,, no wait for free they can have you. Well I think you can guess within one how many will show up. See women don't think like us men and have the urge to stick anything that will spread their legs. It also is why an event charges double for men and free for women, it evens things up a little, if it was the other way around a lot of single guys would be standing around with dick in hand wondering where the women were. Now number three and your legal advice all I have to say is next time I need legal advice I would ask the horse your sitting on before you. WOW! Never saw the lawsuit angle coming. I'm not surprised often but DAMN! Totally got me. Just remember everyone, the single most effective defense against libel is THE TRUTH! You can't be sued for saying what someone ACTUALLY did. So, feel free to post away what was said between people. And notice I am talking in generalities. Not giving legal advice, just common knowledge. Your fourth comment came after SheLove wrote Utah people are such tight asses with there money. Where can you get layed for under $50. Really. Grow some balls. You said SheLove, it isn't about the money. It is about sex for money. That is called prostitution. Do you not see that? The lifestyle is not about paying for sex. It is about consenting adults having fun for the sake of having fun. No money involved. Now I'm a little confused because I consider sex a type of entertainment. So I'm trying to think of something fun that wouldn't cost me a dime. Lets see solitaire na need to buy cards, wait after some thought my sock puppet will always join me for free, O shit I forgot to wash it last time and that costs money. So Mav I have to ask what exactly is sex to you anyway, your profile says nothing of what your willing to GIVE a lady to make it worth her time. And so you understand I'm not talking about money. Do you have a big dick, know how to use your tongue or fingers. Or do you just roll over on your back and tell her to please you because it's a womans job and not worth a cent anyway. Next you said Now he is advertising the orgy on craigslist!! Come on now it that the best news from craigs you have to tell us. What about this one did you post it? Its late, any ladies interested in some black cock tonight?8/7 - m4w 25 (University of Utah ) Then comes this piece of work OK, I've had a change of mind based on the opinions presented here. CrazyDave is a businessman like other posts and hosts. I cannot hold that against him. His tactics, well, that is questionable. But others are doing it as well. So, go forth and party CrazyDave. $50 isn't that bad off considering the costs of other parties. A Little Magic: if you DEMAND that I pay for everything to EXPECT sex, then yes, that is prostitution. If you ask me to pay for everything in 2014, then we would never go out. There isn't anything less sexy than a woman wanting the guy to pay for everything. Hike up that skirt and join 2014. You insult Dave, anyone that posts, hosts of parties others. Then called a very sweet lady that has foot the bill for a guy more times than you know a PROSTITUTE. What I don't get is how without a single nice good word about anyone you managed to put together a wonderful fallowing of perfect swingers, maybe you should think about a group of your own called bashing swingers enter at your own risk. If only I wasn't tired I could comment about their worthless bashing and speculation. [em]Emo_60[/em]

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Hello summer - Swingers couple party - Hello this is Gunther Friday June 17th 2022 This is a private party. Just want to be clear upfront... It will be held at a LS positive venue, please arrive in street clothes there will be a place to change if needed. This is not a get drunk party ( it is byob and snacks to share) this is a mingle/dance/get to know others party. No drugs Please follow the LS rules ( no shaming of any kind, always get consent, respect everyone, no pictures) There will be a dance area, mingle and talk area, outside patio area a bar area and semi private rooms to play. To be put on the invite list please tell us a little bit about yourself and expectations of the party. I Look forward to hearing from you. Either here on swingular or send either of us a message on messenger Gunther Fox Kay Fox

KUTV News Story on Swingers - News - Her marriage was doomed from the start. Her husband already had a swingular account set up without telling her...swinging just put the nail in the coffin. On a side note...who swings with kids in the house??????

Cuming out of the Swinger closet - - Maybe we're approaching this from the wrong angle. Why exactly do you think you want to tell people you're swingers? Are you friends constantly asking you why you dress like cheap hookers whenever you are "just going out for a drink"? Do they wonder why you drag yourselves home at 5am looking like you lost a fight with a family of rabid raccoons? Do they think it's a little odd that when they walk up to you that SLAM your new laptop shut so hard the screen shatters or fling your new iPhone over the hedge in your yard? Are you tired of making up elaborate excuses to people that would make Jules Verne or Quentin Tarantino blush and say, "WTF?"? Or are you just major horn dogs who think that fucking other people is so fun that you might as well just fuck ALL you friends (and maybe even a few not TOO close relatives) while you're at it? I think answering WHY might give you some insight as to the real reason you think it's anyone's (other than your own) fucking business who you fuck or why you fuck them. [em]Emo_67[/em]

Slow Dancing in SLC? - Any clubs for that? - [quote=EVILDOERS]Hmmmm complaining that Salt Lake (okay Sandy) is too far to drive. Yep, you're definitely a geezer. [em]Emo_67[/em] [/quote]LOL -- I think the point was that this Club 90 place MAY have music a bit toned down and MIGHT play a few slower song choices? So driving an hour and a half for something that might be available locally seems unnecessary? Given events, let me put it to you this way. This particular swinger enjoys her unicorns with their horns placed a tad further south as compared to male-dominated swingers such as yourself. So lets take that hour and a half and assign it an "Opportunity Cost" as if we're in a basic economics class. Instead of driving, that time could be spent on any of the following: At an establishment of fine dining enjoying a romantic dinner. In a Blues/jazz bar chatting up a few local men, eventually swaying together on a tiny dance floor. Back at home, sunggling naked, sandwiched between two handsome men while Fogerty, Adele, Chili Peppers, and other music too tame for the younger crowd plays in the background. Relaxing with a couple glasses of wine, and a pile of blankets before the fire. Having the fire within sated. Waking the next morning, with no hangover, and remembering. Perma-grin hits. Still plenty of time and energy to make church by 10, and hit the gym by noon. Ah, yes, if this is your definition of geezer, I embrace it. Whole-heartedly, repeatedly, and with great zeal. :)

Swingers Dares - Text for cards in the game - Question? Why do a lot of these dares have to do with taking a "shot" in them? Why can't they be done without one? That is more of a dare for most people we find in this lifestyle - LOL ;) What about those that don't drink? That is one thing we have found in this lifestyle is some people have to get so fuckin drunk to play, that it does become a turn off. Especially when they want to kiss you and or be all over you and use the excuse they were and or are drunk! Just our opinon, and have found many share it as of late about comments after some parties, and after parties. :P Don't get us wrong we do drink, just not excessivly to where we offend others. Now for our suggestions. We do a lot of games and have many in our FunDo kit we have created. Most we have found have to at least be respectful that if someone doesn't want something to happen that it is not forced, Swingers or not. We do realize these are DARES and they have a choice not to do them. But what about the ones that don't want it done to them when the other is dared? Example - "......to slap everyones ass ......... that is OK with it" Some don't like this type of play and if they are subjected to it out of pressure and or aggressiveness the party and games go down hill fast. Now if EVERYONE is OK then party on!

swingin - thought this site was a swingers site - Tami... Don't waste your time...THe problem is he is immature...look at the typing, what is this myspace and we are all about 12 or 13? Waaaaa....You would pay for it? why not pay to get some cleaned up teeth and stuff...Maybe a shirt that does not scream 80's? Wonder how popular you are in Indiana or wherever the hell your trailer is located? Anyway...Let the crying begin with waaaa leading the way crying all the way...

I Have A Question - Poly vs. Open - Mr. and I have been in a committed poly relationship with another couple for 3 1/2 yrs. Both we and the other couple had been in the LS for 3-4 years before this. Our trajectories were different - Mr. and I were pretty bored with swinging. We had lots of fun adventures, but we both tend to crave more intimacy and I, in particular, don't find myself attracted to many men until I am intellectually attracted to them, and that generally takes more time and effort than the average swinger wants to put in. We had tried only dating unicorns for a year, and then went to more of an open style marriage (infrequent, but occasional hall passes. Sometimes with both members of the same couple, sometimes not). But even that wasn't as satisfying as I wanted and my interest in the LS was waning. That's when we stumbled upon our Others. We were at a vanilla swirl party (a few LS, mostly vanilla) and immediately picked them out as LS. What do you know, we clicked. I immediately was drawn to the husband, he to me, and our spouses soon felt the same. We began spending time together as a foursome pretty much from that day forward. Their trajectory was different than ours. They were classic swingers--meet at a party, click, arrange sex or fuck then and there. Sometimes these people became friends over time, sometimes not. They didn't crave the intimacy we did; they enjoyed the spontaneity, excitement and variety. Their relationship was never open. No hall passes, almost always straight partner swap with another couple, but occasionally they would mix that up at a party situation. So it's kind of surprising that they ended up down this road of polyamory. We just clicked and loved every minute with each other and really never have wanted to be apart. HOWEVER, we are all four still swingers in some way or another. It has become more apparent after the honeymoon phase has settled into a deeper, more real relationship. They occasionally still want that exciting fling. We do too, only less often as the stars REALLY have to align for me. Mr and I still occasionally like sex with a deeper connection. There have been moments when we resented their desire for casual sex. There have been moments when they resented our need for deeper connection. But in the end, like any LS couple, we were able to talk it through. And we were able to realize how all of us can be fulfilled and have our needs met. We just had to drop the jealousy and insecurity and really want to please the people we love.