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Whats good for the goose is good for the gander... - - Just one last thought on the subject. I rarely post on these issues, but have to throw this in on this particular thread. I believe the basic question that we all have to ask ourselves is: "Why are we in the LifeStyle to begin with?" I will not presume to answer for anyone on here, but for my wife and I the particular reason is to spend our lives living not living to spend our lives. As far as all the single males, fatties, skinnies bashing that appears to be occurring, folks, we are missing the basic premise of the swinging lifestyle here. It is to meet new people, establish friendships and to reap the benefits of those friendships even if they are just someone to go get a burger with. Just because you are on a "Swingers" site, sex is not all that there is. We are just as happy finding folks that want to grab dinner and see a movie as we are playing around with. Building lasting relationships and having people that one can count on is more important than notching our bedposts. As far as the body weight issue is concerned, K has gone through quite an ordeal to lose over 100 pounds in the past 15 months (and she is looking very good!). To those folks that apply the HWP stipulation to their profiles. all I can suggest is that perhaps you should redefine your limitations. You could be missing out on not only some great friendships, but actually some pretty intense sexual experiences. Kitty, anyone that has anything negative for you should seriously step back and examine who they are, what they want, where they are in life and why they are in this particular lifestyle. And BTW, I am with you on your own little world thing! It is ALL about having fun, making friends and enjoying life. The limits that each individual or couple places upon themselves, is by their choice and I support that choice, but they only limit the experiences they will have in our exceptional community. Secrets, I totally agree with you on the being good at being ourselves point. However, sometimes the choices and perceptions that we have are too overwhelming. Let's face it, no one is born into this lifestyle and all of our ideas, conceptions and beliefs are based on what we learned in our formative years. For some, that includes the perfective (is that a word?) states of looks, shape and health. Is that the goals that should drive us in a lifestyle of this nature? One last thing.....Kendra, love the tat on your back, but MAN that had to hurt!

Body Size - - [quote=DRAR09]So I'm unfortunately a chubby girl, but I'm working on it. Hopefully this doesn't sound shallow because eveyone has a type they're attracted to, but are most average men in the lifestyle looking for girls of a smaller body type? Are us bigger women disregarded just by a picture or headline before anyone tries to get to know us? This isn't meant to be confrontational, but does a woman's personality matter more or less than her body?[/quote] It depends on the man, of course. Some men do value personality over body type and some definitely value body type over personality. It's the same for women too. In fact, on average, we've met more women who are extremely picky about body type, etc. than men. And body type isn't the only thing that can be a deal breaker for people. Age is also a line in the sand for many swingers. For others, things like smoking or drug use can be big factors in choosing play partners. And there are MANY quite minor factors that people use to weed out people they may not want to play with. I think it's probably because swinging is more or less a fantasy activity and people are looking for a certain type that hits most or at least some of their checkmarks for a fantasy partner.Those may be body type, hair color, ethnicity, age, or one of many other criteria. The really interesting part, to me, is how people are often FAR more forgiving of certain physical characteristics in their own partner than they are in someone they want to have sex with. Yet they often get upset when other people also have that same attitude. I do think, though, that people kind of get in their own way a little bit and in their search for the perfect swing playmate often overlook someone who is on many levels a good or even great match but not a perfect one. I think they're probably missing out on a lot of fun and a lot of good sex.

KUTV News Story on Swingers - News - I think it'd be fit that after the expose airs some poor schlub at the station holds on to the profile and finds the key to a lifetime of happiness herein, finally able to be themselves.

swingin - thought this site was a swingers site - Not everyone goes to a swingers party with sex on the brain. Many go looking forward to conversation, good food, good wine or other drink, connecting with old friends, making new ones. If sex happens, great! If not, a great night was still experienced. There are some though who go expecting sex, are quite crude and crass and then leave the party in a huff because nobody would partner up with them. Go to any online community that is geared for a specific topic or lifestyle and you will always find off topic conversation. Why is that? Because human beings are multi-faceted beings with a wide variety of interests. We crave knowledge, humor, entertainment, enlightenment, you name it, we want most of it, if not all. When one's thoughts and spoken topics all center around one thing, it makes a person very dull. I'm an excellent cook. But if all I ever talked about was cheesecake, rack of lamb, creme brulee, I'd be pretty damn boring no matter how cute I am. It's the same with anyone. One track mind, one topic = boring. Open up. Show who you are, what makes you tick. That is how you make connections IN and OUT of the bedroom. Ali

couples more [oft ] ask for couples or single females. why is th - - Since I have been on both sides of the fence I'll say this. Aside from male insecurity and those that are know that they are. However, 1. As it's been said earlier in this thread, most single guys are not swingers/lifestylers. They are crudely put , just looking for some ass!" When meeting a single guy and you're having a conversation about the lifestyle ask him if he'd have his girlfriend or wife par take in the activities. I have found that many on average would not. This leads me into my second point. 2. There is a certain lack of respect on the side of the single guy. I recently went to a swing club and you could always tell the difference between the single guys that were in the lifestyle for real and the ones that were just there for a good lay. That disturbs me greatly when I see it. Most single guys don't get what it's all about and they come off with this smug, arrogant, vibrato as if to say "Sure dude, I'll fuck your wife/girlfriend since you can't please her. You're just not enough man for here. Let me show you how it's done!" Oh give me a break! Now there are some guys out there that get it and if they had a significant other he'd be in the lifestyle with her. True some guys are just losers but I think that we can all agree that this lifestyle is not for everyone and finding that partner or special someone to enjoy it with you can be a little difficult. Just like it's difficult sometimes find people that are already in the lifestyle to meet for a fun evening. So, I'll end this with saying that couples that are leary of single guys have every right to be. However, I don't think you should lump them all together and just write them off. It's a case by case bases.;)

Another Swingers Show on TV - - [quote=PARTNERZNCRIME]did anyone catch this show?....we thought it was a decent representation of some of the issues that arise in the lifestyle.However,we did think it was humorous at times as a few of the couples seemed to be concerned with privacy in not letting family and friends know they are swingers (we dont either) but they are on TV in a swinger show..lol..it will be interesting to see how they progress in upcoming episodes.[/quote] We'd DVR'd it. Pretty interesting. Of course you can bet there was some editing for shock value on some issues. Not sure how many episodes, but we'll definitely be recording them all.

BOOTY CALL - - Yeah, I put that request in on the "improvements" section of the forum YEARS ago! Amen to that! All these horny UT swingers sitting at home with nobody to do...what a shame.

Any swingers advise for Spain? - Swing clubs in Madrid - Well not too sure about swinger clubs, but we were there last year and the hotel we stayed in had one of the top rated rooftop bars in all of Europe, and the hotel itself was amazing, if you like trendy hotels, the name of the hotel was "ME" Madrid, it is probably in one of the best locations.

single men - why is it we have such a hard time? - TO T 4REAL69, I REALLY LIKED WHAT U HAD TO SAY . I WISH MORE SINGLE GUYS WERE LIKE U . AND I LOOKED AT YOUR PICS AND PROFILE . AND DAMN U ARE HOT !!!!!!!!! I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT SOME PEOPLE ARENT LOOKING FOR SINGLE GUYS . BUT I ALSO DONT UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE MAKE SUCH A BAD JUDGEMENT CALL ON THEM JUST CAUSE THEY ARE SINGLE GUYS . WE GO TO ALOT OF PARTIES . AND YES THERE IS A FEW HERE AND THERE THAT ARE RUDE OR PUSHY . BUT I HAVESO MANY MORE PROBLEMS WITH THE MARRIED MEN . WE LOVE TO HANG OUT WITH FUN PEOPLE . SINGLE ,COUPLES , BLACK AND WHITE AND ANYTHING IN BETWEEN . WE LIKE TO GET TO KNOW PEOPLE AND PLAY WITH ONLY THE ONES THAT WE REALLY CLICK WITH .BUT WE LOVE MEETING NEW FRIENDS AND HANGING OUT AND HAVING FUN . TO US THE OPEN LIFE STYLE HAS MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS AND EVERYBODY SHOULD UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THAT EVERYBODY IS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFEENT . SWINGING IS FOR OPEN MINDED PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SHARE AND EXPLORE TOG . MOST OF THE TIME SINGLE GUYS ACT LIKE ITS JUST A FAST PIECE OF ASS .OR THAT CAUSE THEY WENT TO A SWINGERS PARTY THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE HOOKED UP WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE . I HAVE NOTICED THAT ALOT OF SINGLE GUYS WORRY ABOUT HOOKING UP EVERYTIME THEY GO TO A PARTY . AND IT SHOWS THAT THEY ARE THERE FOR ONE THING . NOT ALL BUT ALOT . AND THAT ATTITUDE IS A HUGE TURN OFF . ALOT OF THIER PROFILES HAVE TONS OF PICS OF JUST THIER COCKS . EVEN IF IT IS A TOOL LIKE NO ONE ELSES. THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT WE NEED TO SEE IT IN A BUNCH OF PICS . I THINK IF SINGLE GUYS ACTED AND TALKED WITH RESPECT AND PUT A LITLE BIT MORE EFFORT INTO THIER PROFILE THEY WOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE . I TALK TO ALOT OF PEOPLE AND HANG OUT WITH ALOT OF PEOPLE . AND WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW FRIENDS . SINGLE OR MARRIED COUPLE WE SHOW RESPECT AND WE DEMAND RESPECT . WE ARE NOT AT PARTIES JUST TO HOOK UP . WE ARE NOT ON SWINGING SITES JUST TO FIND NEW PLAY MATES . I CAN T STAND THE EMAILS THAT SAY . HI WHEN CAN WE MEET ? HI .. I CANT WAIT TO PLAY WITH U . ALL OF THAT SEX TALK BEFORE WE EVEN SAY HI AND KNOW WHO THEY ARE IS A HUGE TURN OFF . I DONT CARE WHO THEY ARE MARRIED OR SINGLE . THEY NEED TO SHOW RESPECT AND WAIT TO BE OFFERED AND INVITED TO PLAY . I DONT CARE IF THEY WANT TO TALK DIRTY BUT DAMN WAIT UNTIL I KNOW THEM SOME WHAT . ALOT OF SINGLE GUYS ACT LIKE THEY CAN JUST WALK UP INTO A PARTY AND ALL THE GIRLS SHOULD BE WANTING THEM . THATS NOT THE CASE . SWINGING IS ABOUT SHAREING AND EXPLORING . KINDA OF LIKE IN A LOVING WAY . AND ALOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A WAY OF MAKING IT SEEM SO CHEAP AND NASTY . BUT LIKE I SAID I HAVE MORE PROBLEMS WITH THE MARRIED MEN . I HAVE ALOT OF SINGLE GUY FRIENDS THAT I DONT PLLAY WITH AT ALL BUT THEY LOVE TO HANG OUT WITH US . AND LIKE ANYONE ELSE IF THEY CAN SHOW RESPECT AND NOT BEING PUSHY THEN THEY ARE MORE THEN WELCOME TO HANG OUT WITH US . I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO REALIZE THAT NO MATTER WHO U ARE U ARENT GOING TO BE EVERYBODY TYPE . DONT WORRY ABOUT THE ONES THAT DONT WANT U . GO TO PARTIES AND WRITE IN CHATS AND GET TO KNOW PEOPLE .AND THEN GO WITH THE FLOW . DONT BE IN SUCH A RUSH . AND A TIP FOR SINGLE GUYS BUT A LITTLE THOUGHT INTO YOUR PROFILE AND PICS. I DONT WRITE ANYONE THAT HAS JUST PRIVATE SHOTS OR SIMPLE ONE LINERS IN THEIR PROFILE . WE ALREDY KNOW U WANT SEX . SO WRITE ALITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOU AND HELP PEOPLE SEE U FOR WHO U AE .AND THAT WILL GIVE U A BETTER CHANCE TO MEET FRIENDS AND THEN MAYBE MORE WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE . NAUGHTY DREAMS FREAKY KITTY

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