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Why the male side of Couples are here...? - I will admit I am hoping to spark some heated debate on this.... - (from Terry) And now I'm starting to understand why Evil and I seem to have senses of huimor that sometimes run in the same direction. It's because, in at least some pretty important ways, we see the world in the same way. I'm here for two reasons. First, I was doing this for a while back when it was one Hell of a lot harder than it is now for single men, they were very nearly completely excluded from the lifestyle which, then, was usually called, by both those inside and outside of it, "wife swapping". The very title, and the basic premise of things then, essentially disqualified single men. Now I'm talking about the late '70s and early '80s. Actual "hippiedom", and the free love philosophy was either diminishing, dying off, or dead, depending on where in the country you were. But we'd managed to change society's general view of some things, and sex was one of the biggest. The attitude change, especially on the part of women, who were no longer automatically "sluts" if they enjoyed sex and didn't need to be married, or engaged, or even "going steady" to indulge, together with effective and easily available birth control (illegal in every state until sometime in the early '60s, even condoms were ostensibly sold as and were labeled as being specifically for "disease prevention", and no worries about deadly and/or incurable STDs had changed the world, and birthed what is often referred to as a "sexual revolution". It was almost like falling off a log to go out on a weekend and find an amenable girl. So why the Hell was I bothering with the "wife swapping" world, when it was so damned difficult to even penetrate, let alone to "get something"? For the same reason I was one of those long-haired (except for my 3 years in the Army) hippie freak. I LOVE people who ignore what the rest of the world is telling them to do or not to do, and I want to be around them. Yeah, there are all sorts of individual exceptions, but, for the most part, as compared to the vanilla people, swingers are more intelligent, more likely to use their heads for something besides a hat rack, and, despite the various complaints about certain kinds of people or actions that pop up here, a Hell of a lot less judgmental and intolerant of people who aren't the same as they are. They, again as a general rule, think for themselves, and don't just latch on to the currently popular opinion about whatever. Why I'm here now is that I'm married to a girl 24 years younger than me, who happens to enjoy a couple things I can do but which I'm not really into, and she's at that so-called female sexual peak point in her life. And I figure that my main purpose in the world is to do everything I can to make her as happy as she can be. Being witches, we don't have the standard "you belong to me and only me" attitude about our life partners, we don't think sexual fun with some other person does a damned thing to diminish our relationship; if I have sex with Jane Doe or she has sex with John Smith (and maybe Jane Smith, too), we are still the same people afterwards that we were beforehand. So getting back into it, and bringing her into it, was a great way to help her have the kinds of fun she likes, and for me to hang around with a group of people that I really like. And meet and play with girls I really like. I'm one of those weird guys who does read the profiles before looking at the pics, and even once in a great while even send off an email before I've even seen any of the pics besides the main profile pic. It's just a lot more important who she is and what she's like than it is what she looks like. And I'll find lots more girls that I like and respect here than I ever could in the vanilla world. One thing about what Team said, though. Swinging can bring out and amplify problems in a relationship. But avoiding that is just a question of attitude. First, you have to absolutely trust in your partner's honesty with you. Even though the Mrs. has a hall pass, the only provision being that I meet any guy she might play with before she does, so I can feel like she's going to be safe with him, I know I'd be really upset if she ever started messing around with someone on the side without me even knowing it was going on. But In don't ever even worry about that actually happening, because I trust her completely. Just like she trusts me, not only to not start a secret "affair" with someone, but to never try to even influence who she does or doesn't play with. She knows that when I meet some potential playmate of hers, even if for some reason I think he's a total jerk, I'm not going to say anything. She's the one who will be playing with him, not me, so it's her job, not mine, to decide who's worth playing with. She knows the only time I'll have anything to say about whether she should or not is if I get an impression somehow that the guy can't be trusted to treat her well, and not ever hurt her, ever do or try to do anything she doesn't want. Point is, if you both don't totally trust each other, you're likely to have problems, even if neither of you ever actually does anything sneaky. The second thing is that you can't have the "normal" attitude about your partner, where you feel he or she is in a way your property, and if anyone else uses your property, you're being stolen from. You can't have that feeling that sex equates to love, the kind of love that makes someone want to permanently be with someone. else. If you feel that way, you'll end up worrying that having sex with another person might make him or her decide they've found a better companion, and leave you. Sex is something that goes with that permanent relationship kind of love, but it isn't what determines it. If you can't truly see, and feel, that sex itself is just another enjoyable activity that you do with people you like, just another form of friendship based intimacy like discussing some problem you have with a friend, you're probably going to have problems. If you're at all, in any way or for any reason, at all uncomfortable with your partner having sex with other people, or he or she is uncomfortable with you doing it, then you're probably going to run into difficulties. So it's all a matter of attitude. If you and your partner are truly completely fine with the other having sex with someone else, and if you both trust each other completely, swinging isn't going to destroy your relationship. If both of those attitude type things are not really and truly true for either of you, then it just might. And about that 70 years old thing, Hell, I'm only 6 years away from it, and I haven't yet run into any indications of decline. So far, the girls I've ended up in the bedroom with have been happy with the results. While I haven't yet (thank the Goddess), had to just rely on that ages old bit of wisdom, the one that says "when you're too old to cut the mustard, you can always lick the jar", it ain't everyone that can tie a cherry stem in a knot with his tongue, and I suppose that might be helping me out, but, then again, that always helps out, no matter how young you are [em]Emo_4[/em] But just in case that needing to be taken care of bit is one of those things that happens all of a sudden, like maybe it hits you at one minute past midnight on your 70th birthday, I think I better get Evil to hook me up with those friends of his, so we can have that room all arranged for and booked. Only Evil's limiting himself. I want 3 if those insatiable 22 year olds, one redhead, one blonde, and one brunette. When I commit suicide, I want it to be a truly memorable event, even though I won't be around to remember it. [em]Emo_45[/em] I mean, we can set up cameras and stuff in there, then my wife can get it all edited into a good porn flick, and the proceeds can help her out, in case we haven't managed to find her a nice sugar daddy by then.

How to hotwife? - My wife wants to become a hotwife - [quote=DELICIOUSLYWET]There is a small Salt Lake City centric Hot Wife Play Group in the group section of this site. https://swingular.com/groups.php?_a=view&_GID=436 We have not used the group to sponsor meet and greets, but some members have had success making connections and hooking up. We would not be opposed to holding meet and greets, but the two of us really don’t have the time to make those arrangements. It’s a relatively small group. There are some great couples and some great guys involved. The group's description is as follows: "This is a group specific to Hot Wife Play in and around Salt Lake City. You either have to live in or near Salt Lake City or be a frequent visitor. [b][u]Single men must have a recommendation from a member couple[/u][/b].[b] All members must be verified as "Real" or "VIP" before admittance into the group. [/b] "Hot Wife" is often used synonymous with the term Cuckold, but it is NOT how most swinger couples view "Hot Wife Play" and not at all what this group is about. Hot Wife Play for most of the swingers we know in Salt Lake City, is where the husband feels he has the hottest woman in the world, and wants to share her, and the wife enjoys all the erotic attention his devotion and fantasy creates for her. When in the mood, swinger couples are not looking for a sexual replacement for the husband, but rather a sex life enhancement adventure to share that includes a single man. The single man lucky enough to be a part of this sort of thing must be very respectful. The stuff of fantasy! Not all men measure up. Our wives don't want to be with physically or emotionally mediocre men. Husbands don't want to watch their wives with mediocre men. Polite, respectful, attractive, intelligent and good humored single men can do well in the swing community. Single men need to take the emphasis off of "Hot Wife" as a singular devotion or lifestyle for couples that say "yes" to single men. Consider it more of a fantasy and a pleasure for couples to make a reality, when and if, that is what they desire, and a single man can be part of that reality. Couples swing in other realms and often prefer couples hook ups most of the time. In other words, let's not consider it any more than what it is, a fantasy, and a possible reality that couples can use to hopefully enhance their relationship and single men can use to have sex with an incredibly passionate and orgasmic woman. Swinger couples, like us, sometimes wish to focus our attention on our hot wife's sexual fulfillment. She is so sexy that watching her in passion's full embrace, with another man can be extremely rewarding and erotic. As for me I watch until I can no longer wait to join in and ravish her. When a woman is just so sexually hot, that she is a gift to the world, and her passions and her orgasms cross over into the realm of the sacred, then encouraging select gentlemen, to join in such divine worship of a hot wife's sexuality is a total fucking blast!! That is what this group is about!! Additional tips for single men wishing to join the group : Look good Smell good Have a sense of humor Be respectful Don't be pushy Don't be whiny Be patient Be honest Be healthy Be confident Be willing to host" [/quote] we were unaware of this group and would love to be added

Florida Nude Beaches - Any on the west coast? - We are friends of the owners of Edun Lake and they do have a website and you need to let them know you are coming to get the gate code to get in. It is not a swingers resort but so many guests are in the lifestyle, the owners are not. If it is ok to mention a website on here, The Florida Swing Party host private parties at Edun Lake once in a while and you can check their website for a current calendar of events. I know they are hosting a great New Years Eve party not far from Naples. If you rent a boat, you can go to the north end of Captiva Island. Not sure of the legalities, but it is "owned" by the Sanibel Naturists and known locally as a nude beach but not officially recognized as one. As I write this, our local NBC news has a story about nude beaches on Floridas southwest coast coming on soon. If it is anything worth mentioning I will post about it.

LDS Swingers Survey - Will any former/active LDS swingers take my survey? - Ok, I'll leave the survey open for now, but there are over 120 responses which is more than I thought I'd get. I've posted the responses to [url=http://www.swingular.com/post.php?_a=view&_PID=13124]a new forum for discussion[/url]. This was a lot of fun. Feel free to post suggestions for improvements if we do this again.

Bi-Sexuality - A question for the girls of swingular - [quote=CHEFFETTE][quote=EVILDOERS]So it's a BENCH of single males and what, a swarm of swingers? "Mayhem" sounds WAY more descriptive, by the way, from everything you've told me. [em]Emo_49[/em] [/quote] For swinger men, it's a [i]pestilence[/i].[/quote] Does that encompass the entire spectrum? Married and single? Or does one demographic embody that term? Just curious in case I want to be incensed...or even outraged! [em]Emo_25[/em]

Lifestyles and Life I wrote this yrs ago - - There's 2 kinds of swingers. those that are, And those that want to be.

Tooele swingers party - - I'm in!

Black Rings - Do Swingers really? - I just finished my new ring today, 7/24/21. Black ceramic with crushed jeweled inlay. [img]https://dfzses8qx79cf.cloudfront.net/5WCCcWUQ4K17TL_sxcaOWwheCfo=/780x0/smart/filters:watermark(https%3A%2F%2Fdfzses8qx79cf.cloudfront.net%2FavDeL_2buI5xWf0ZrxJQuiKbpmE%3D%2F780x78%2Fhttps%3A%2F%2Fswingular.com%2Fwatermark%2FWATTSWW,-1,-1,10)/photos%2Fw%2FWATTSWW-13891311660fd0a208948f.jpg[/img]

Swinging and LDS... - Are the two compatible? I know this is a huge can of worms... - We were talking to someone we thought was a "vanilla" friend last night. She has told us in the past how she is a total LDS member and "very religious", yet we just found out that she is and has been in the lifestyle for quite a while. We are a bit perplexed. While we are not LDS, we assume the church would frown on the lifestyle. Is this not the case? Or are LDS'rs living a "double life"? We all do to a certain extent, we don't advertise that we are swingers. But, to you who are active LDS members, how hard is to maintain while attending church? To those who are not and have dated LDS members, is it difficult to have poly relationships with members? What are some of the obstacles? We do like her very much.

Discussion brought about by the marajuana topic - - **YAWN** I'm with Highway on this one...there are plenty of ways to kill oneself. There are plenty of things the general "law-abiding" public does in their cars and homes that put themselves and others in danger. Have to wonder which demographic group will be next after having ridded our communities of the dregs of society by outlawing tobacco and alcohol (the insidious pot-heads have already been dealt with after all)? How about the fat people? They live an unhealthy lifestyle, and certainly provide a burden on society with obesity related issues. Attribute the rise in Type 2 Diabetes, heart disease, increase in cancer (yes cancer...in individuals who have never smoked and have otherwise lived a good "christian" life) to the convenient and unhealthy lifestyles full of decadence and complacency we lead (Hmm...I know there was a reference to the Roman empire somewhere earlier in this thread). Once the fat peeps are incarcerated...who shall shoulder the burden and blame for many of the ills in our society? There are always going to be special interest target groups in our society, whether they be pot-heads, crack-heads, fatties, adrenaline junkies, speeders, cell-phoning-while-driving idiots, swingers...well you get the point. We may forget to look at WHY things are made illegal, maybe that's on purpose...because when you think about it...the reasons for WHY they are do not make sense. It couldn't be merely for personal safety and health reasons...because if that were the case, then certainly excessive food, and cell phones would be made illegal. I'm with TR on the too much government intrusion scene; We are the so-called "most free" country on the planet...yet we have the most laws and government intrusion and incarcerated percentage of the population. Period. Merry Christmas...haha