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Age quesiton - Do swingers of the same age group swing together? - We tend to meet couples closer to our age. Since we are in our early 50's - when we hear from a young (20-30 years old) couple it's 99% fantasy on his part to be with an older woman which doesn't do much for the other two people involved.

Exclusive Couples - couples who are committed to another couple - Ok! You have heard from someone who is poly....ME. But we are still swingers and no one expects us to be exclusive either.... anymore than we expect them to remain true to us and us alone. Polyamorous is a conjunction of a Greek and a Latin word. Means to love more than one.....I don't fall in love with everyone that we have sex with but I do have 2 secondary relationships. One woman is separated and we met her in the lifestyle.. We love, yes WE love her as much as people can feel love. The other were seeing what swinging was about and came to a club that we attend. The lady and I started talking and then on line and we discovered that we loved each other. I stopped by their house and talked to her husband and we, that couple and us are great friends and she and I are lovers.... and everything is open and above board. Recently while I was in the hospital from a heart attack, they came to visit everyday. So poly really isn't about swinging at all but there are poly people in swinging who are looking for exclusive relationships... I let people know that I'm poly because if the lady and I hit it off...... I don't want any surprises... BUT I never go looking for that type of loving relationship in the swinging community, i.e., "the lifestyle" I think that some people use the word without a true understanding of what poly really is... Poly can involve sexual relationships but those are based on love not sexual recreation. My wife is not basically poly however, she loves that lady who is not attached as much as I do... so in a way she may be poly but does not wish to define herself that way. When talking about poly and swinging one has to make a distinction as to what people are looking for in a relationship. And, let's not kid ourselves...swinging and sex with people outside of your marriage or relationship is really a relationship aleit maybe a short lived one but one all the same. I'm just a person who can and does love more than one person. Like being hetro or BI or whatever..... that's just part of my make up.. I have chosen to be a swinger and if it lead to something I hope that I have let people know ahead of time and found out their feelings on that possibility... If they are not open to that but are sexually attracted, then we can keep it on that basis and I simply have to be aware. I think it can best be analoged to a couple or one of the partners in a couple being bi. They find a couple to play with but that couple are not bi or have no curiosity in that bent.... So they play and the bi part is never an issue because they discussed it beforehand and everybody was fine with the situation.... I belong to a poly group here in my state. the group is more a discussion group although they get together once a month and every mon or Fri to discuss poly issues. Most of the people who are in that group, over 300, will say that poly and swinging are two entirely separate issues and they are totally unrelated. There are a number of members, both single and couples, who are also listed on swinger sites....They are looking for sexual companionship and maybe, if it happens, loving relationships... So poly and swinging are not so exclusive nor does it mean that poly swingers are only looking for LTRs any more than bi women will only play with couples who have bi women in them.... Being poly of Bi ain't an issue...playing is... There may be some who are in the lifestyle to find lovers... Easy to find out and make a decission about....

Divorce rates - How do we compare - Accurate stats on this would be tough to get because of who would answer honestly that they were swinging before getting divorced - but you could probably get close and our bet would be that its pretty close to 50/50?? Having said that, I guess we're going to skew the stats negatively towards the swingers since we plan on getting divorced as soon as all the kids are grown. We dont believe that marriage is needed to prove ones love and commitment for each other. We we're successful at this for the first 7 years, and 2 kids; (bastards - lol) of our relationship. But back in the day before GLBT(P) started fighting for equal rights, insurance companies wouldn't cover "straight" partners either, so we got married to get coverage, among some of the other rights that might pertain to our children. We have no problem with others getting married to extend their love for one another and we celebrate it. However, we absolutely detest governments using marriage as a tool to control the masses and their choice of romantic endeavors with each other - the rights that straight couples also loose from this should have many more people up in arms about it! This is one of the problems that has aided in the distortion of what love, marriage and true friendship really is which in turn causes more divorce... and people that CANT HANDLE SWINGING.

SM's and Bootycall Postings.. - Really guys.. get a clue. - This is Lia...specifically. Single males?...hmm..I've had plenty of single males over the past 5 years who make their pointless attempts at hooking up with me and or my husband in a three way scenario. Granted, I am about as adventurous as you can get. I have no specific problem with the single guy hitting on me, but the drama that tends to wrap itself around me after is just something I don't need or want. I was very into a single guy a couple of years back and he did actually become one of my best friends to this day and is now married, but that, in itself, was riddled in drama created by nosy, big mouthed people who always want to start shit instead of minding their own business. If you decide you like someone for a while and are seen with them more than not, people say you are "exclusive" and try to put false damage on your marital status. Get a life, assholes. So...single males?...Enjoy yourselves...be respectful...and don't get too excited thinking you're every married couples answer to their failed marriage..swingers, when they are stable, are out there for fun. We may want the occasional single, we may not. It's about choice. My choice, at this time, is to refrain from said single guy, lol...but kudos to those of you "gettin some"...it's all in fun. Or at least it's supposed to be.

Ldscouple74 - Are there any active LDS couples here - [quote=EVILDOERS]No more so than Catholic swingers, or Baptist swingers, or Jehovah's Witness swingers or Muslim swingers (I could go on.). All of which we've met over the years. You can certainly question how someone might rationalize fucking other people recreationally with belief in any given religion, most of which I'm certain wouldn't condone swinging. But it's not really all that different from how most people in the vanilla world view sexual fidelity even when religion isn't in play.[/quote] Agreed ... just as the definition of HYPOCRITE as posted above is non-denominational.... just sayin

Vegas next month - - we can only speak for what we like: zumanity and absinthe are fun and SEXY. copperfield: was great, chris angel = HORRIBLE carrot top: we've seen 3 times, and he updates his show regularly. you will be pleasantly surprised. gordy browne: we've seen 3 times funny and a great variety show any cirque' show is worth seeing, dress up and have a fun date night together. laugh factory & brad garrett's comedy clubs are fun, but really not any better than the cheaper ones you can find @ the discount ticket booths. free concerts on the weekend @ Fremont experience, + great place to people watch! you could go to any of the topless pools, but you DO have to pay to get in. best value is buying a lounger because it comes with food and drink. couples oasis: a private swingers club, huge variety of people that go artisan hotel is a fun and sexy boutique hotel, not well known, but a lot better than any of the swingers clubs. do NOT stay there if you want peace and quiet. western sahara: sex & stripper shops for fun & sexy clothing we go to vegas monthly because we live nearby, and we stay somewhere different each time. sometimes down town, sometimes on the strip, and sometimes @ a Hilton, or embassy suites. for us, we don't do the topless pools anymore. kinda a "been there, done that" thing for us. also because of the extra cost to get in. it's been over 4 years since we've been to couples oasis. but the rest of our opinions are very current. we discovered we are getting older, ouch!! we went to Omnia, and HATED the synth dance music. we prefer r&b and 80 & 90's rock and roll. to get in was $50.00, drinks were $17-22 each, water $7.00. go to Tao, the food is great, and when you are ready to dance, you bypass the long line outside by just going upstairs. if you don't get to vegas often, go to the strip, TONZ of things to see have extra time, go down town, go to pawn stars, vamped, capo's, etc..

Translating Personals/Swingers Ads - - HOW TO TRANSLATE PERSONAL ADS: WOMEN'S ADS 40-ish...................................49 Adventurer...........................Slept with all your friends Athletic................................No boobs Average looking...................Has a face like a basset hound Beautiful...............................Pathological liar Contagious Smile..................Does a lot of Ecstasy Educated..............................Banged her Political Science professor Emotionally Secure...............Medicated Feminist...............................Fat ballbuster Free spirit............................Junkie Friendship first.....................Trying to live down reputation as a slut Fun......................................Annoying Gentle..................................Comatose Good Listener......................Borderline Autistic New-Age............................All body hair, all the time Old-fashioned......................Lights out, missionary position only, no BJs Open-minded......................Desperate Outgoing..............................Loud and Embarrassing Passionate............................Sloppy drunk Poet.....................................Depressive Schizophrenic Professional..........................Certified Bitch Redhead...............................Bad dye-job Reubenesque........................Grossly Fat Romantic..............................Looks better by candle light Social...................................Has been passed around like an hors d'oeuvres tray Voluptuous...........................Very Fat Height/weight proportional....Hugely Fat Wants Soulmate...................Stalker Widow.................................Drove first husband to shoot himself Young at heart. ....................Old bat -------- MEN'S ADS 40-ish.....................................52 and looking for 25-yr-old Athletic...................................Watches a lot of NASCAR Average looking......................Unusual hair growth on ears, nose, & back Educated................................Will patronize the shit out of you Free Spirit..............................Banging your sister Friendship first.......................As long as friendship involves nookie Fun........................................Good with a remote and a six pack Good looking.........................Arrogant Very good looking..................Dumb as a board Honest....................................Pathological Liar Huggable................................Overweight, more body hair than a bear Likes to cuddle.......................Insecure mama's boy Mature...................................Older than your father Open-minded.........................Wants to sleep with your roommate but she's not interested Physically fit............................Does a lot of 12-ounce curls Poet.......................................Wrote ex-girlfriend's phone number on a bathroom stall Sensitive.................................Cries at chick flicks Very sensitive.........................Gay Spiritual..................................Got laid in a cemetery once Stable.....................................Arrested for stalking, but not convicted Thoughtful...............................Says "Excuse me" when he farts

Shit Swingers Say - Hilarious Video.. - I believe this to most likely be the most famous line ever...........Is this the female half? Are you Wet would be the 2nd most said. (Ya I get wet every time you text me...even at work, at the dentist, driving my car and, On the job. Yes I am just a fountain of wetness....just oozing out all over everyone. Hehe only Joking don't get your panties in a bundle.) HAHAHA...Hell ya!

Long Weekend - Just wondering what people have planned - [quote=SIMPLEPLEASURES]anyone ever go to Fantasy Swingers Club in vegas. also the the exchange ever get set up there. [/quote] If you hear anything good or bad please let us know. We plan on attending the last week in July.

Camp Dan - Adult Lifestyle Camping - Camp Dan is no longer just for men, Camp Dan is now a campground for all Adults who share a live and let live attitude. This Saturday night Sept 18th Camp Dan will be hosting a open house camp (free Camp night) for all men and women who are bi or swingers (singles or couples) we are in the possess of changing some of the info on our website to be more current so keep checking back for updated info on the site. But here is just some basic info. Camp Dan is an all adult (21&up) campground. We are dedicated to serving open-minded free spirited men and women who share a live and let live attitude. Camp Dan offers an atmosphere free of children and is truly a place where you can be yourself and escape reality even if it