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Swingers In Uniform - Pay your memorial day respects here. - To those who do understand the call to duty, I present my views of Juan... "War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than him self" - John Stuart Mill NUFUNCPL

Ankle bracelet = hot wife ? - - Interesting! I have heard of identifying swingers by candy bracelets/necklaces. Infact We had a group event where a large meet up took place and to identify those participating were wearing candy bracelets and such.

Finding a balance - Swinging and Religion - - [quote=ABCMAN]http://www.libchrist.com/swing/happysafestudies.html someone asked about Christian swinging groups...we'll here ya go. I think the animosity in Utah about religion comes from one direct source in most cases (LDS Church).. but of course some of the Christian (fundamentalist...bible beating) crazies can drive one crazy as well. The reality is that I have not seen a man made religion yet that isn't focused on control of it's flock. My question is how much did Christ push the idea of a church and how much of it was his disciples and Paul later on in the bible. Cliffnotes, I actually think you make a good point...context is so important in reading ancient documents, and the bible would classify as one. To use 21st century definitions or perceptions is useless in understanding 60 AD Jerusalem. I do think that you make a good point regarding David and Solomon, but of course the counter to that is that the Lord gave them their wives and concubines (,,,,Joseph Smith and the Mormons think this way...) Personally I don't see why a GOD would only give a King many wives and not the common bloke out in the wheat field, and frankly I wouldn't put much stock in some Old Testament tale or atleast the justification for them having many wives. I'm sure God really didn't give them anymore then anyone else. As for swinging, my personal feeling is that if your intent is not to harm, be in physical, be it emotional, then go for it. But that can cover a wide range of possible situations. I think there are ethical issues that always need to be addressed if your going to last long in the lifestyle. #1 Don't break rules you and your significant other set up between one another, and always communicate. #2 If it isn't a gift to one another, then maybe you need to reevaluate why your doing it. #3 If your looking at it as an escape, then you maybe doing harm to your partner or another persons marriage. #4 If your single and looking for a long term mate, then don't covet some other persons spouse, no matter what they may say or do. If he/she is falling for you, then do the ethically thing and break it off. It just causes harm to everyone involved in those situations, and don't think for a minute that you won't suffer long term ramifications from that type of situation. I'd let the couple work it out or they leave on another before I'd get involved again with that person. #5 Safe Sex, not only for you but your partner and others as well. (Golden Rule) if these sound patronizing then I apologize, but personally this is the approach I've taken, and my wife as well. So far it's worked out well. [/quote] Good post! By Groups I am talking about the groups that will soon be available on this site. In another site there was a group called Christian Swingers, it was very interesting and educational. I seem to remember a LDS swingers group also. But that is a good website you posted.

can we swing and still not be in sin ? - - Since I've been sucked into the swirling vortex of this thread, the only way I can feel like I haven't been robbed of the last 1/2 hr (give or take) of my life is to add my .02 Ok, I know I could just chalk it up to that which doesn't kill me only makes me stronger, but adding my input seems more satisfying. I'll start off by saying that if you are doing this much research regarding religions and what they allow or don't allow regarding sexual activity it has to make me wonder if you're seriously considering converting to another religion just to save yourself the guilt of sin brought upon by whatever religion you happen to be at the moment. All religions have been formed and molded over the years by people. People who are not perfect, who have their own agendas. A sense of right and wrong doesn't come solely from religion. Many religions would like you to think that in an attempt to keep you in their camp and they'll be more than happy to tell you what is right and wrong for the rest of your life (in case you can't think for yourself). But if you have to switch religions just so that you can sleep at night after a fun-filled evening of swinging, you have some other things to figure out. Or perhaps you should just start you're own religion, where you can make all the rules. In any case, I think its fairly safe to say that most religions believe quite strongly that those of us engaging in the swinging lifestyle are sinning by engaging in immoral activities, just cuz they don't use the actual word sin, doesn't mean anything. Its just more politically correct these days to say immoral. In any case though, they most certainly believe that we (swingers) will most definitely be going to a very special level of hell, a level reserved for... (sorry, narrowly avoided an obsure pop culture reference) As for me, yes I believe there is a God. And one of the few things that I think is accurately stated repeatedly in the bible is to love thy neighbor and I'm more than happy to spread the love around in whatever way/shape is available to me. -SG

Why are there so many swingers from Utah? - - the way it looks from here ,,maybe we should just annex Utah to be part of Florida :z

Hot wife - - [quote=DELICIOUSLYWET][quote=EVILDOERS]"My Saturday job involves quite a few liberal athletic co-workers..." Damned socialist swingers wanting FREE sex handouts! [/quote] Pounding snowflake pussy rocks! [/quote Don't give 'em what they want! They just want free sex and for hard workin' 'Murcans to pay for it! If they want free sex they can go to Venezuela or Canada to get it, dammit! FUCK AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

Help With Wife - Wife has fantasies but is super hesitant to experiment. - [quote=EVILDOERS]Personally I think you might be a little too eager (can't blame you, we all were when we started) and pushing just a little too hard to make her fantasy a reality. Rather than trying to find a way to get around the "Catch 22" of her fantasy maybe just explore it more verbally and see if it evolves into some kind of scenario that she is comfortable with that more easily can happen in the real world. The most successful swingers we know, ourselves included, arrived at where they are by being open and supportive of each other's fantasies and desires without forcing them in any way. In other words, be patient, explore your fantasies verbally and maybe role play, a LOT, with each other before you jump into anything that either of you isn't quite ready for. You might be surprised as you fantasize openly and honestly how your fantasies might evolve and become something that you eventually can and will make a reality. You know your wife better than anyone and maybe she does need a little nudge but most of the swingers we've known over the years who've crashed and burned did so because one partner pushed the limits too fast and didn't wait for the more hesitant partner to catch up. In our case we were quite surprised and what our fantasies morphed into when we really dug deep and talked about the truly deviant (by local standards anyway-lol) aspects of our fantasies. Sorry, I know that's probably not the kind of advice you were hoping for but it's been our observation over a rather lengthy swinging career. Another thought, if you're bound and determined to make your first swinging experience a MFM, is to find a guy who is okay with just watching you two play or maybe getting involved in some soft swinging...i.e. back rubs and or touching but no intercourse. We were soft swap for the first year or two of our swinging life and it was great fun and took the pressure off until we were ready to take the next step. Best of luck! edit- Sorry about what now seems like a long rambling response. In my defense it was pre-coffee. [em]Emo_79[/em] [/quote] Damnit! Evildoers is right again!

Girls that are into DP - How common is this activity among the swingers? - I can't wait to try DP! and I want to try having 3 guys at once, so I can have one in my mouth too...

Same Sex Marriage - If you support - Wow, What a controversial topic I guess. Listen, We all have our own preferences. That is why most of us are here, no? I don't think any of us should be against same sex marriage just because it isn't the norm. If it's not for you then so be it. You don't have to agree with it. Doesn't make it wrong for someone else. A lot of people don't like swingers. I think we have had post about an entire religious organization trying to stop swing clubs recently, but that doesn't make our lifestyle choices wrong either. Tolerance is key here guys. It's not right for me either but I support those who it is right for. I see no reason the govn' or anyone else should impose on their rights to happiness anymore than anyone should stop any of us from swinging. Now for those breaking out the scripture talk, WTF? Let's leave that kind of stuff at church. I am sorry but we dont see any point to that at all. Maybe it was a sarcastic remark and if so I misunderstood and I appollogize. One more thing, "I don't at all. Long story short I ran into a girl I went to high school with. A night before my younger brother. Who deals dope and has snorted coke. That isn't the point. The point is Josh asked her if she wanted to get high with them since it as the night before his wedding. She didn't becuase we were fucking. LOL. Anyway, a couple weeks later we hung out a couple times. She got drunk and mad at me. And felt it was a good time to inform me that there were a couple gay guys that were friends of hers. Telling people I have AIDS in my home town. Never ever once bashed a gay guy, never even been mean to one. Maybe I should have. I have a little brother that went gay. That doesn't change the fact that he pops pills and is a pot head. I went to Claion University of PA for a year. The KDR's aske d me to pledge thier Frat. Spent the first semester pledging. In december right before Christmas break. I was at a party at an apratment that was being used by a couple KDR's. Anyway, the conversation led to ex-girlfriends. One of the brothers asked me to come into his bed room. Cause he said he knew the girl I was talking about. There wasn't a chance he knew her. Anyway, He told me I was thier favorite pledge. Lit a match held it infront of me then asked me to count to ten backwards. After i did that he blew out the match. then held a Cross on a chain in front of me and recited the Greek alpha bet. then snapped his fingers. he sat down on the bed looked me in the eye and said he knew the girl I dated in high school. That he could tell me how to contact her. All I had to do was suck him off. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. I laughed at him. funny thing was the big titted blonde that was dating one of the cooler brothers. Was leaning against the door when I walked out. She was to drunk to get out of the way when I walked out of the room. There is another story I have that involes one of the KDR brothers and his girl friend and me. I am not going to bore you but if you want to know I can tell you all about it. Think about that before you sign this petition. And don't get me wrong, As long as we have the constitution in this country then the government has no right to tell us how to live our personal sexual lives." Seriously, WTF are you talking about. Maybe I am just completely retarded but I don't understand a single point you were trying to make here.

Can bieng Mormon (LDS) and a Swinger co-exist? - - We are aware of many swingers here in Utah that still attend LDS church services regularly, including one woman that is a primary teacher. There are also many people that send their kids to church, either with neighbors or with other family members. Their attendance at church certainly doesn't inhibit their ability to be effective swingers, so we have no problem with this- we just figure that if they can reconcile it between themselves, then we're good with it.