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Swinging/Polyamory - I just wanted to hear other people thoughs on this....... - Exactly, so instead of saying your a swinger, you should use specifics. Like we are full-swap or we are soft-swap or we are seek polyamory. We are all swingers. It's like saying we are all human, but we have uniquity in ethnicity.
I agree that labels help. However, the label swinger doesn't apply to full-swap. It's simply not the way the word was intended. It's not what it means. "Full swap" means "full swap". Swinger means someone that deviates from the moral a social norms of their society with regard to sex. Libertine encompasses swinging because it falls under the scope of being morally unrestrained. I am a libertine by definition and swinging is only one aspect of that word.
There was a couple here not too long ago that was spreading intolerance by telling others they weren't swingers because they didn't "full swap". I called bullshit. This is far from the truth. I think tactics like that are used to pressure people that aren't comfortable with full swap into swapping. WE ARE ALL SWINGERS.
-D-
The thin line in the sand. - Where does "cheating" begin? - I wrote this somewhere else...but hopefully it fits here.
"Fidelity.
What is it?
Most of you (some of you) might think I'm gonna come off as a hypocrite on this one. But please, bear with me.
Fidelity is a key issue with me in relationships. It's one of the only lines that exist that is an instant kill switch. I've been in relationships where I've had to pull that switch and watch the bodies fall. Then again, I look at the insane stance I take in my "Sexual Play" life.
Swingers.
Kink that plays with submissives.
Dangerous, flirtatious chat.
Both Domme and I have regular communication with past lovers.
Yet...faithful.
How does that make sense you ask?
Even when "Swinging" or involved in Kink "play" we always play together. Our communications are open. And in the end it all comes down to one very simple thing.
Trust.
So where does that leave Fidelity?
As a personal choice between two consenting adults."
That's my line...hope it helps!
-Mr. K_T
Swing Camp (7/15 - 7/17) - Swingers Campout in Birch Creek Idaho - Sounds like a great time. Have you considered Fall creek??? Their are plenty of sites that are a non pay type that have lots of trees with the creek for some interesting bathing!!!
Swinging with Vanillas - Any success stories? - We were never vanilla, we were born swingers ;-)
Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - Two -
Well then! Hmmm...need to have Mr. Two and I figure out the more...interesting toys we can find kicking around.
Love it when evil and devious come together.
Elusive FMF - Your thoughts? - Hello All!
Forgive the long post - but I simply wanted to respond to what VP stated SO well.
Posted by VP:
Here's a question:
Is it that a single swinging female is all that elusive, or is it just more likely that a woman who's secure enough in who she is to have a liberated lifestyle is probably more likely to have a boyfriend / husband? Thus making it a simple fact of life and society that the whole concept of a liberated single female is for the most part a myth or at best a temporary state.
Guys are programmed to be tomcats. There comes a time when "every boy must become a man". But little girls are taught that "sex is something only for your husband".
Society accepts single males prowling about generally - that's why when a single guy get shat upon in a swingers site, the resultant wailing bears striking resemblance to a chorus of whining mules. They don't get it: "They don't like me? Why? I'm hot..." Now if a woman were to go out there looking for it, then she's branded a home-wrecker, "slut", "whore", or worse. Tell me you'd sign up for that cruise?
IMHO: I think when a couple starts kvetching about the lack of single females, they might do well to have a look at why it is that they want just a woman and not her S/O. Chances are, deep down those same paradigms that are causing the lack of single females are deeply rooted in their own attitudes.
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From the "not so elusive" Te:
From my perspective I would have to agree with these statements wholeheartedly. I
Utah moms (Mormon) TikTok drama - - [quote=Gitterdone]I don't know who that person is but I do know that swingers will ways throw others under the bus. It's happened to me several times mostly to get with the female I was with. Men will tattle on each other in hopes that the female will leave and run to him which never did work. Nonetheless the attempt was there. They ways tell and swingers always talk. Yet this entire time I've kept so many secrets about others and never will reveal anything. Too bad no one else does. I've been around for a long time in the lifestyle especially when I was a couple. We knew about marriages breaking up. Two of who I know personally. Actually three now that I think about it. I'll never name anyone. All I ask is the same respect and keep it to yourself.[/quote]
Unfortunately some people in the community get some thrill from outing others, gossip and causing chaos. That’s human nature, we suppose. Not been our thing. Guys have offered to take Mrs away and give her what they supposed she did not have. Gals have made the same offer to Mr. Again, not our thing. We’ve seen a few couples try the lifestyle as a way to “save” their relationship. If that’s what they need, it rarely works, there’s probably deeper issues at play than good playtime. We’ve had lots of fun, met really cool people, and learned so much. We’ve also had terrible (mostly comical and some tragic) times, met some creeps and assholes, and made more than a few mistakes. What consenting adults do amongst themselves is their own business. Outing others is not just bad form, but a major downer. But we’d be remiss if we didn’t admit to taking some amusement from watching them throw each other under the bus (more popcorn and a bigger bus, please!).
Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - Posted By: XXXTASYX2 Reply posted on:
Jan 8, 2008 - 9:11 am
For couples that are not looking for a single male, yet are constantly contacted by single men with an email that says something like, "Does your hot fuckin' wife want my big cock tonight?" they begin stereo typing. Once that happens, less and less of them will try to discover who ANY single male is.
Suz
If they are not looking for a single male, single female, hobo on the corner of 5th and Main, etc, etc, why would they bother to discover who the individual is? I'm not turned on by blonds (for example). If you are blond, why would I bother to even look any further?
Family Swingular Members - OMFG and you do a search and see a close family member on the list..... - MY WIFE AND I USED TO GO TO A SWINGERS CLUB I DOWNTOWN ATLANTA. IMAGINE OUR SHOCK WHEN OUR DAUGHTER MENTIONED AN S&M CLUB SHE WAS GOING TO ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM OUR CLUB. NEEDLESS TO SAY WE WERE CAREFUL WHERE WE PARKED THE NEXT TIME WE WENT.
seniors - why is it so difficult to find senior swingers or single ladies? - WELL THAT WAS LONG WINDED TO SAY THE LEAST. READ WHAT WAS WROTE AND HOW IT WAS WROTE. IF YOU HAD LIVED IN THE SOUTH FOR MORE THEN A YEAR AND I DONT MEAN SOUTH UTAH. YOU WOULD OF SEEN THAT THE REASON FOR WHAT YOU SAW THERE WAS THIS. WE AS SOUTHERN FOLKS OWE NO ONE A APOLOGY FOR ANYTHING AT ANY TIME, BUT WE AS SOUTHER FOLK HAVE PUT UP WITH THE BULL FOR SO LONG WE ARE TIRED. SO IF WE DONT COME OFF LIKE WHAT YOU ARE USE TO SEEING IN THE OLD DIXIE LAND MOVIES WE ARE SORRY. BUT SENCE YOU DONT HAVE MUCH OF THAT OUT HERE YOU WOULDNT KNOW WOULD YOU. BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE I GOT A HOME IN TENN AND FLA YOU ARE WELCOME AT EITHER AND YOU WILL SE HOW IT REALLY IS WHEN YOU LIVE IT. WHEN I GO TO SOME SOCIAL GET TOGETHERS HERE IN UTAH I HAVE TO HEAR HOW BAD WE ARE IN THE SOUTH TOWARDS OTHER RACES,AND HOW WE DID THIS AND WE DO THAT AND ALL THAT CRAP. AND IT PUTS US ON THE OFFENCE AT TIMES. BUT LIKE BOB (MARLEY) HAS ALWAYS SAID DONT WORRY BE HAPPY OR AT LEAST HIT A FATTY. IF YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT A FATTY IS THERE TR I CAN HELP YOU UNDERSTAN THAT ONE TOO. LOL BUT THEN KNOWING ALL MUST BE A GREAT BURDEN TO SOME. TO ME AS LONG AS I KNOW IT 5:00 SOMEWHERE I AM HAPPY CAUSE I KNOW IT WILLL CATCH UP TO ME SOONER OR LATER.LOL BUT BEING A JACK MUSLIUM AND ALL THAT IT INTELLS I LOOK FORWARD TO POSTING STUFF LIKE THIS TO YOU BECAUSE IF ALL THE NICE FOLKS ON HERE TOOK THE CRAP I READ FROM TR TO BE THE WAY OF THINGS IN THIS WORLD WE WOULD NAVER GET NAKED AND WE WOULD ALL BE LIVING IN A GEORGE ORWELL BOOK CALLED 1984. SO TR GET LAID CHILL OUT ON THE UP TIGHT ASSHOLE ATTITUDE AND FOR GOD SAKE DONT WORRY WE ARE ADULTS AND MORE THEN ANYTHING WE ARE NORMAL AMERICANS WE CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH, WE CAN HANDLE THE COLOR THING IN AMERICA AND MOST OF ALL WE CAN HANDLE THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. QUESTIONS CAN BE ASK WE MIGHT NOT LIKE WHAT IS ASK BUT THEN WE HAVE TR TO TELL US WHAT WE LIKE AND DONT LIKE,RIGHT. HELL IF WE ALL LIKED THE SAME THING WE WOULD ALL BE LIVING IN SOME PLACE LIKE IRAN OR CHINA OR SOME OTHER 3RD WORLD COUNTRY WHERE WE WOULD BE DAMN SCARED TO SAY WHAT WE THINK. SO CHILL OUT GET NAKED HAVE FUN I HEAR ALL THE DOUBLE SPEAK I WANT ON TV I DONT EXPECT IT IN A SWINGER ROOM.AFTER ALL WE AS ADULTS AFTER SEX WITH OTHER PEOPLES WIFE AND OR HUSBAND DOES NOT BEING NAKED WITH A STRANGER NOT BRING ONE DOWN TO THE VERY BASISC THING IN LIFE. BUT HERE I HAVE WENT AND GOT LONG WINDED MY SELF.SORRY FOLKS. BUT I KNOW THERE WILL BE A ANWSER TO THIS FROM OUR LIBERAL FRIEND THAT IF I DIDNT KNOW BETTER I WOULD SAY HE WAS RUNNING FOR A FEDERAL OFFICE IN UTAH OR WASHINGTON OR MAYBE HE WANTS TO THE FRIST TOO RUN THE NEW WORLD ORDER THEY ARE TRYING TO INVOLK ON US UNDER KING GEORGE LOL. WELL I MUST SAY GOOD NIGHT MRS.CALIBASH WHERE EVER YOU ARE.
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