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swingin - thought this site was a swingers site - Uand, I already tried that reasoning on the very first page :) I think he just wants to vent.

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - Posted By: TEQUILAROSE Reply posted on: Jan 8, 2008 - 7:20 am AKLIM69, Look at the "who's online" button under the SEARCH/BROWSE tab. There are plenty of people online right now seeking single males. Granted they are the minority, but from my locale, the search brought a 20-30% return per page, for those seeking single males. Again, it's not up to you or I to dictate what it sexually acceptable for everyone else. If that were the case swinging should be outlawed because we sure as hell are not the majority compared to the rest of the country. -D- My point was that they are the minority not that there are tons and tons of people looking for single males. There are quite a few to be certain. However, it is usually not in the clubs or at least not so much in the WI-IL area. No it is not our right to tell others what they can or cannot do UP TO A POINT. That point being that all involved are consenting adults.

What is up with Utah?! - Swingers in Utah and nowhere else? - I stumbled on this place somewhat by accident, but it has turned out to be a pretty cool place. Now if only we could find some folks in Phoenix...

Female sex fantasies. - What do women really think about sex? - [quote=EVILDOERS] We may have to agree to disagree here. We've been in the lifestyle for almost 3 decades and have talked to countless people (yes, many of them even women-haha) who have talked openly about the fantasies they have and have had and sometimes, sadly, how often those fantasies were stifled to some degree or another by societal expectations and repression as well as suppressed by how they were raised by their parents (especially their mothers..."Good girls don't do/say/think things like that."). [/quote] This is just anecdotal and you are failing to realize that you are talking to them in a LS scenario where everyone wants to be the super open and cool movie star-like swingers. Same reason all SM's in the LS are respectful, kind and the Good Lord's gift to couples seeking MFM or even the ones that are not. We all play The Imitation Game. They will talk to you openly, honestly, will tell you how much they enjoy it, how healthy for their relationship is. It almost becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. But, unless you were raised in a far away land where the LS was a norm and that we all know it has never existed, these confessions are an integral part of the illusion. And, if you take all that at face value, you are lying to yourself and even worst, believing it. [quote=EVILDOERS] It seems more than just a little condescending and even a little bit misogynistic.[/quote] I've been called worst lol. It's just biology, we think we are this almighty superior species, key to the universe, chosen to be sovereigns of all when all we are is just mammals with an unusually large brain victims of our own imagination and gullibility for the most part. And yes, imagination is sometimes good, that's how we got to the moon. But that's also why when you go to an Indian casino, you only see pictures last dozen big winners from last year but you don't see the thousands of losers of this week. Most of us are trapped in a dream and think we can make our own reality. "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." -Ecclesiastes 1:9

Physical Attributes vs. Personality - How important is being H/W proportional - I suppose it all depends on what your angle is. If you are looking for friends, physical apperaence might not be an issue. Maybe some are looking for friends and if they swing, so be it. Others are looking for swingers and if they become friends it is icing on the cake.

Swinging/Polyamory - I just wanted to hear other people thoughs on this....... - We think the problem is that people see the equation "sex = love". IOW, if I have sex with you, I must love you. Therefore polyamory and swinging are the same. After all, if I don't love you, I won't be having sex with you. The way I see it, swinging is like a game of golf or tennis. I might play a game with you but I don't love you. Similarly, I might have sex with you but I don't love you. Poly, IMO, is basically having a relationship with that other person and sex is involved on some level. Kinda like "I'm in love with you and oh, BTW, lets make love" The way we see it, swinging is about exchanging sexual partners for recreation sex. In an orgy situation at a party, you can have sex with that person with zero words exchanged. In a poly relationship, there is a real connection going on besides just sex. Sex becomes incidental just like it is with married couples. With swinging, there is no emotional attachment. Is that a good thing? Well, it depends. We need to understand the very simple nature of things. We do this to avoid that. That is human nature. Many swingers DON'T want emotional attachments and avoid them because of the complications they cause in the first one. Are there benefits to the attachments? You bet. Is there a price to pay for that benefit? But of course. Is it worth it to you? That depends on your viewpoint. In our life as a couple, the problems poly cause BASED ON OUR OPINION (your's may vary and no right and wrong here) do not outweigh the payoff. IOW, we don't think the benefits of a poly relationship are worth the problems it creates based on our opinion. YMMV

An out of this world (or state) encounter - swinging parties - [quote=UTCPL]The problem we have noticed in Utah is that there seems to be far more wanna be swingers than actual swingers. There are quite a few who think if the girls kiss or show their titties then they have had a great swinging evening. To us it is a lifestyle not a fad & the cool in thing to pretend to do. We almost always avoid house parties & private parties for this reason. In fact we almost prefer finding new couples & singles in a regular club & converting them over to swinging over meeting playmates here because it's easier & usually less drama. Not to mention it helps weed out the wanna be's & the ones who used a 20 year old photo that was taken when they still had teeth or before they put on that extra 125 lbs. [/quote] Hmmm..sounds like you may be hitting the WRONG house parties...We have had a blast at the ones we have gone to...and no...not just girl kissing..and flashing titties...nope!!!

Circumcised or Uncircumcised?? That is the question... - - Sorry, but we didn't know that there are so many (some people would spell it meanny-like in one of the comments) stupid, uneducated and dumb swingers out there. Most of the responses we read here are just dump. Yes, dump. What is it that not circumcised (there is no uncircumsised by the way) guys are not as hygienic as circumcised??? Some people better just shut their mouthes before leaving some really none sophisticated comments about things they just don"t know about. Thank you and all the best for the next presidential election....

Invatation to swingers. - open letter against Dr. Phil - Agree'd to each his own ! we are a Very open couple and we play with couples that need to be discreet ! but when it come's to us . We DONT give a Rat's Ass if some dont like us for who we are or what we do ? We Love the Lifestyle and the people in it ! only people who dont get laid enough seem to complain about the Lifestyle ? All we can say is "Go Get Laid" and Clean up your Own Back Yard First !

New Swingers Club in Utah - Gauging interest in new club - We would totally love to see this happen. We would come a few times a month for sure.