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Ugly people and swinging - - Hey NOW!!! I resemble that UGLY remark! Donky what am I? Really big? No. Really really big? No, no. Green? No I'm an Ogar! You know grab your pitch folks, and run! Maybe those who are looking for *Ken and Barbie* need to be more careful and ask for pictures before meeting other people! Ugly people have feelings too, and they can be hurt and often are by words. There are a few select swingers clubs I dont like to attend because they think they are the *Beautiful People*, or they are very cliquish... To me, a BAD or STUCKUP attitude is a bigger turn off than those who might not completely meet my standards in the looks department. The second biggest turn off for me can be the first words out of someones mouth. Iron

Forum Search - How does one correctly perform one? - Well... While I agree that this site is less friendly in a lot of areas, there are still a bunch of good qualities - the people. This still is and always has been the best Swingers site in Utah and its really reaching a lot of other states now. AFF probably has more eye candy to look at but the forums are lame and you can never count on actually meeting anyone. What were you looking for, POUNDCAKE? Maybe the other members can help. Mr. Sexperimentors

Friend collectors or swingers - - My opinion, which hasn't changed in ages, is this, and I'm not chastising anyone, just offering my 2 cents. One of the recurring and biggest problem that swingers face is that they decide what they personally like, or want, and then assume everyone else should choose the same path or they don't understand why how everyone else doesn't feel the same way they do. I've read the forum posts for years and the same questions recirculate on a regular basis. "Why don't people want to be the type of swingers we are?" "We don't want friends, we just want to have sex." "We don't necessarily want to have sex until we are friends." "We really only want friends but rarely play." All valid forms of the lifestyle and perfectly acceptable to different people. The lifestyle can take work. It typically isn't easy and will take some time and effort to achieve your lifestyle goals. Sure it's helpful to post your desires in your profile but I'm sure people read those only rarely, or maybe they are drunk searching, or maybe they can't read. :) There are all types. Try not to get frustrated because someone else isn't following you lead. Be patient. Within one or two convos you should be expressing your goals and figuring out the goals of the people you are trying to get to know. Get a system that weeds out the people you are't interested in, something that works for you. You will get better with time and hopefully someday what you are looking for will be much easier to find. However, until then, realize life isn't black and white, nor is swinging. There are as many varieties of swingers as there are ice cream flavors, or flavored condoms. haha. Don't expect others to want the same thing as you but certainly look for those that do. Be patient, kind and realize everyone is possibly looking for a different scenario than you. Some people love to send blind requests, some hate it. Right or wrong, it's life. Accept that there is mound of bullshit between you and that perfect couple/single male/female/trans/group/poly/donkey/toys only/DTF.... (Well, you get the point we are all looking for something different)that you are looking for. So don't be frustrated. Accept it will be a challenge and work on better ways to make your life easier. There won't be a good answer only many shades of grey. "Don't try to bend the spoon, for that is impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth... there is no spoon. Then you will see it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself." And to the single males that post ridiculous stuff? WTF? Ugh. You make us all look like mentally disabled Neanderthals. "Me have dick. Me like pussy. Stick it good."

How to identify yourself as a Swinger - - Yes, the black ring has been around for decades. Along with white rocks in your yard, flamingos, upside down pineapples, etc. I'm sure these things were helpful and even needed before the age of the internet. Nowadays, there are so many ways to contact and meet people, I can't imagine the need to randomly bump into to other swingers. In fact, the black ring is so well known, that that is the reason I DON'T wear one. I knew about it about 18 years ago, well before I ever considered swinging. So, it's useless for two reasons. 1. Not enough swingers use it to be of much use. 2. Too many non swingers know about it to be very practical. But with the sites and parties and events, there really isn't much need for it anyway. I'm glad I started all this recently with the internet to use. I really would have hated wearing black rings and putting white rocks and flamingos in my yard and upside down pineapples in my window. :p

Bucket list - - [quote=EVILDOERS][quote=swingsetacrobat4439][quote=PARTYINLV]Ours is to pick up a vanilla couple in a vanilla setting and convert them to the lifestyle with us being their first experience.[/quote] Check. We don't know if we converted them, but we are confident that we are their most interesting vacation story. 😉[/quote] We LOVE to pretend that we're vanilla and let people who are obvious swingers pick us up and "seduce" us (This is especially easy to do in Vegas for some reason.). It's really quite fun. Only once did we let the cat out of the bag and told them afterwards that we're actually seasoned swingers. They got quite pissed. [em]Emo_49[/em] [/quote] Evil, that's quite funny. We should try that, but not tell them afterwards that we are in the lifestyle. lol. Is this a bucket list or a fantasy? It's probably both!!

KUTV News Story on Swingers - News - There is also the part about the needs of some to explore life to its fullest and in some cases it is held back by the desire to stay faithful to your partner. Swinging opens that avenue up and takes away the need to cheat on your spouse. In some cases it is amazing to watch your spouse be pleased by someone whether you are taking part or not. Watching my wife be pleased by another guy was an amazing experience and wouldn't give that up for nothing. Not sure that is news worthy!

Thinking of checking out UTAH - Been on this site for awhile, seems like the partys over in Utah - Well, CBUTAH, some of the best people, period, are in the lifestyle. I don't mean the lookie-lous, or people who jump in just because they think anyone on a swingers site will fuck anyone of the right sex that asks. Even though some folks seem to think there are lots of those types, and there are a number of them, they're outnumbered by the real people, the ones who are essentially honest, who are open-minded, accepting and considerate of the feelings and desires of others, and, perhaps most of all, who are intelligent and who think for themselves instead of just following the crowd in whatever direction is the most popular at the moment. Those are the people who make it a real community, not just a bunch of sex hungry whatevers. The others, who are here just for whatever sex they can get and don't give a damn for anything but their own personal pleasure, well, they usually don't get a lot of that pleasure, not over the long run, and mostly they eventually either manage to give themselves away or get tired of trying with little or no result, and then they leave. And for YOUNGCHARM, what do you mean by "check out" Utah? You're in Illinois. If you mean to check it out strictly online, I'm not sure what you'd get from it. While there are certainly people who enjoy sexting, sex chat and sex camming, I think the majority of people want to meet people in the flesh. If you're hoping to meet someone online, and then visit Utah to hook up, well, there just aren't millions of people who will make a for sure hookup commitment with someone they've never actually met. Many will do a "I like what I see, and I think we'd probably click and hook up, why don't we meet and see what happens?", but there's no actual certain commitment in those situations, and Illinois to Utah would be a pretty long trip if it turned out to be for nothing. The only other possibility I can think of would be if you came here and spent at least a couple of weeks and went to some Meet N Greets or events that were open to everyone. But many of those "open" events bar or restrict single males, and single males aren't usually terribly successful at the first few Meet N Greets they attend. The one way I can think of that it would likely work well is if you have a girl friend who'd like to swing who came to Utah with you. Then you could participate as a couple in whatever events were going on while you were here, and if you were here long enough might even get invited to some house parties, and would be pretty likely to enjoy the visit. IS that what you were thinking of? I'm discounting actually moving here, I just can't imagine anyone doing that for no reason other than to check out the local swinging community. ~ Terry

sexy cities - favorite travel destinations - [quote=County-couple6969][quote=PARTYINLV]I thought about Vegas or Palm Springs. But, Cap d'Agde in southern France is the place to go. It's a nude city. Everywhere you go, people are naked. It has also attracted a large community of lifestyle and swingers. 30,000 naked people! We're looking for travel buddies! https://www.capdagdeguide.com/swingers/[/quote] Count us in! We love to travel, skiing the Alps in couple of weeks. Always looking for fun couples to go with us.[/quote] We love skiing the Alps!! No trip planned there this winter, but next winter is open. Obviously, France is too far for a weekend trip that the OP posted. So,we recommend the Palm Springs area because there are three all nude lifestyle resorts to visit. You could stay at one resort and do day passes to the other two to make your comparisons. We have been talking to some couples about joining us to do exactly that this summer. If you have any interest, feel free to send us a message. The more, the merrier!!

Question - do you talk about other swingers? - No utfun your not wrong at all. Some times when people start talking (without name dropping) not meaning anything bad just an experience, other people will say things you dont want them too. Lesson learned here feelings get hurt and that sucks , so we just stopped talking about anything but good in people. Mr and Mrs tart

D&D free? - is this an oxymoron? - As I've been pondering all the intriguing aspects of this new world we are entering, something doesn't mesh in my mind. We live in a nation where billions (at least multi-millions) are spent daily to advertise drugs. This is done because it enables the drug companies to make multi-billions selling drugs. You can get prescription drugs for everything from your pecker to your severe depression about your pecker! And this is only the legal/prescription drug industry - I imagine the illegal drug business is even bigger. Just exactly where do all these drugs go? I suppose a lot are consumed by folks who have minimal concerns about engaging in high risk activities? Hmmm..... swingers?nah? Fact is the math would indicate that there is a lot more coursing through the veins of just about everyone we encounter than just the good ol redwhite&blue! Same goes for disease. I don't believe the existence of most of it is caused by long-term monogamous relationships. When you are only as safe as the very last physical contact you have and you deal in a world of relative strangers, well, you get the picture. I hope these are not interpreted to be negative comments. I truly am just trying to figure out the mentality of the profiles I read. It strikes me the whole "d&d free" thing is either a formality/some sort of cover-your-ass disclaimer or just people kidding themselves.