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Playing Alone - - Couples all have different rules. Many categorically refuse to play alone with ANYONE ever. This is their "security" place. They feel comfortable in the place where they can see each other and "protect" if necessary. It takes some people a long time to get passed this. It's kind of a 'control' thing leftover from the vanilla life. I'm not saying it's bad, good or indifferent it's just the way it is. Some people take longer to get passed their histories as vanillas than others. As they progress and get more comfortable with themselves, the lifestyle, their partners then they will slowly open up and begin to trust a bit more. Don't take it personally, that's the key. Many people still hang on to their vanilla background that their partners are their most 'valued' possession. I liken it to my $450 deep sea fishing reel. Sure I'll loan it to someone to use if I'm on the boat with them and can make sure they're taking care of it. Is there anyone I'd just let 'borrow' it out right for the day or weekend? Not a chance in hell. It takes time to let go of that 'she's/he's mine' get feeling. I think my wife and I took almost 6 years before we got there successfully. We tried many times before that but it never worked out well for either of us. We finally came to a point where it's okay to play separately everything from next room to next state it no longer bothers us. I personally prefer within 30 - 50 miles so she get's home faster for the "after play" sex you're describing (which I really like too.) You'll have to find a VERY secure, VERY established, VERY strong couple to fulfill your fantasy. They are out there, my wife and I for example but even though we're open to playing separately are we open to YOU playing with her or me separately? That's a different level of trust. Does it mean no? No. It means "maybe" in time it's a possibility. (I'm speaking hypothetically of course.) Don't worry your "couple" or "person" will come along. You might also try investigating a subsection of the lifestyle called "hotwifeing" while I know few swingers who are hardcore into only hotwifing, there are quite a few that tip toe in that part of the lifestyle (quick def, she plays he doesn't except with her.) That's the post play joy for you and the play and post play joy for her. Most people just bounce between that and swinging. There are people out there just be patient and don't expect it from any current playmates that you have established rules with, they need to progress at their own speed.

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Looking for Swinger friendly hotels in Brevard Co. Fl - - Here are all of te sites that I could fit together from all over FL... Hope this helps. Name: AMORE SWINGERS CLUB Address: P.O. Box 2283 City, State: Ormond Beach, FL Distance: 449 miles Phone: 386-255-1600 Email: [email protected] Contact: Petra & Joe Website: Not Listed Description: PARTIES EVERY WEDNESDAY-FRIDAY & SATURDAY 7.00PM-3.00AM, FOR INVITED COUPLES & SELECT SINGLES. Name: The Lifestyle Ranch Address: 16571 SE 49St Rd City, State: Ocklawaha, FL Distance: 472 miles Phone: 352-625-8918 Email: [email protected] Contact: N/A Website: http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/lifestylera... Description: 8 acre secluded Private ranch catering to lifestyle couples and single ladies! We are Free and intrested in friends and friendship only! Name: CharlieWoods Address: Just off I-4 City, State: Orange City, FL Distance: 474 miles Phone: (386) 775-2372 Email: N/A Contact: Charlie and Carolyn Website: Not Listed Description: On-premise for couples and singles. We have 6 acres to party on with dance floor, hot tub, pool and private playrooms. Name: Club Relate Address: PO Box 574584 City, State: Orlando, FL Distance: 500 miles Phone: 407-678-2540 Email: [email protected] Contact: Tom & Lynda Website: http://www.clubrelate.net Description: A masturbation swing club for couples and singles of both sexes, meeting on Saturdays. Twelve years of operation Name: RANCH 4 PLAY Address: Call City, State: Orlando, FL Distance: 502 miles Phone: (352) 483-1988 Email: [email protected] Contact: N/A Website: http://ranch4play.com/ Description: RANCH 4 PLAY is situated on a 5 acre site in a peaceful, wooded site 30 minutes from Orlando Florida. As a guest of RANCH 4 PLAY, you will have access to the cleanest on-premise, private, swingers party in all of central Florida. Name: J.D. & Sandra's Address: P.O. Box 720249 City, State: Orlando, FL Distance: 509 miles Phone: 866-738-3950 Email: [email protected] Contact: J.D. & Sandra Website: http://www.jdnsandras.com Description: On premise club for couples and select singles every Saturday. Name: Florida Social Address: * City, State: Fort Walton Beach, FL Distance: 516 miles Phone: * Email: [email protected] Contact: Steve and Mandy Website: http://www.floridasocial.com Description: Premiere off-premise adult swingers club. We strive to provide adult couples in the swinging lifestyle a fun safe place to meet and get to know other like minded adult couples. Our socials are always exciting and we can't wait to meet you! Rating: (10=Best 1=Worst) 12 Ratings Clean Atmos. Cost Summary Website Avg. 7 7 6 7 You may only rate clubs within 350 miles of you. Name: The Partyhouse Address: 14051 Old Dade City Road City, State: Kathleen, FL Distance: 531 miles Phone: 863-853-7750 Email: [email protected] Contact: Anne Website: http://www.centralflpartyhouse.com Description: We party in a private home, with ample parking and privacy for couples and single males and females. We have monthly special events The parties are on friday and saturday evenings Name: The Bottom Line Address: 3090 Evans Avenue City, State: Fort Myers, FL Distance: 637 miles Phone: 239-337-7292 Email: n/a Contact: John Website: http://www.clubtbl.com Description: Club that meets every Friday night. Name: Deenies Hideaway Address: 5011 W. Hillsboro Blvd. City, State: Pompano Beach, FL Distance: 650 miles Phone: 954-428-3336 Email: [email protected] Contact: Deenie Website: http://deenieshideaway.com Description: Luxurious private on premise swingers retreat for over 20 years. We are open 365 days a year. We have gourmet buffet, volleyball, a pool talbe, indoor hot tub, swimming pool and cozy playrooms. Name: Club Hedonism Address: 1000 east sample road City, State: Pompano Beach, FL Distance: 651 miles Phone: 954-783-4741 Email: [email protected] Contact: N/A Website: http://clubhedonism.com/ Description: South Florida's finest on premise club. wed -sat 8pm till 4am couples only sat. huge dance floor private rooms group rooms.Upscale and affordable Name: Club 3299 Address: n/a City, State: Pompano Beach, FL Distance: 651 miles Phone: 954-815-3299 Email: [email protected] Contact: Jeff Website: n/a Description: Social club for those in the lifestyle. Name: Club Chic Address: 525 East Sample Road City, State: Pompano, FL Distance: 654 miles Phone: 954-781-8884 Email: [email protected] Contact: n/a Website: http://www.clubchic.com/ Description: Off premise club with DJ, buffet, BYOB. Open Saturdays Name: Trapeze Address: 3660 W. Commercial Blvd City, State: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Distance: 658 miles Phone: 954-730-8121 Email: [email protected] Contact: Alan or Dennis Website: http://www.trapezeclub.com Description: On premise club open Wed-Sun 8pm-5am. We offer a buffet. BYOB Name: Platos Repeat Address: 321 West Sunrise Blvd City, State: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Distance: 658 miles Phone: 954-523-9818 Email: [email protected] Contact: n/a Website: http://www.platos-repeat.com/ Description: Private on premise swing club open Wed-Sun. We have a four star buffet, made to oder breakfast on weekends, DJ and alcohol is BYOB. Rating: Name: Anakosha Address: 2338 Immokalee Road #146 City, State: Naples, FL Distance: 665 miles Phone: 941-436-2014 Email: [email protected] Contact: n/a Website: http://www.anakosha.org/ Description: Couples only parties for the purposes of education and exploration of human sexuality and love in the context of marriage and alternative relationships. Membership required.

seniors - why is it so difficult to find senior swingers or single ladies? - TR, By "sour" I meant "off subject" (these dam threads have a tendency to do that don't they?). Your are correct, I am guilty of being intolerant as well, I have ZERO tolerance for bullies or bullying, and have a tendency to speak my mind to these type of offenders I believe in treating people they way they treat me, even if its rude and ignorant. (My Mother said if you can't find something nice to say, not to say anything at all.....I have often struggled with this) "It is the enemy who can truly teach us to practice the virtues of compassion and tolerance."- Dalai Lama But to go back to the original subject: SWINGING SENIORS!!! "Like childhood, old age is irresponsible, reckless, and foolhardy. Children and old people have everything to gain and nothing much to lose. It's middle-age which is cursed by the desperate need to cling to some finger-hold halfway up the mountain, to conform, not to cause trouble, to behave well...."-Sir John Mortimer ~K~

KSL swing story - - For those of you guys out of town. This is the transcript from the KSL website. "Everyone has shared their partners with everyone else in the room." "You're in happy valley and you think nothing like that could happen." An Eyewitness News Investigation takes us inside a delicate subject few people like to talk about -- infidelity, couples cheating, in secret, in the open, and joining a movement that appears to be gaining momentum. We heard persistent rumors that spouse-swapping and adultery is commonplace in certain suburban neighborhoods. We discovered those rumors were based on at least some truth. People told us they were being recruited -- marriage counselors say they are seeing more if it. There aren't statistics or easy answers, but it's clear the effects can be devastating. Love, commitment, holy matrimony. In Utah, where marriage vows and family values run deep. Woman: "They said it was more exciting when their spouse was involved." This story will open eyes to something many would like to keep secret. "It was taboo within their religious background." "I thought, this can't be happening here. This is Utah." Sometimes it's kept very quiet, among neighbors and friends. Other times, it's out in the open. Studies show infidelity is to blame for more than half of divorces in Utah. What we found surprised even experts. We knocked on doors, attended a party. We heard stories by phone, by email, but nothing could match what we heard in a pocket of Draper. "Something was wrong with every other neighbor in that neighborhood." Her husband's indiscretions shattered their marriage. "Intensely, intensely painful. It's the hardest thing I've ever been through in my life." The divorce final, he remarried one of their neighbors within a week. It seems adultery ran rampant. Up the block it was consensual with other married neighbors cheating together. People told us they moved to get away from it and stayed inside to avoid it. Across town one woman told us she just wanted to run from it: "Everyone in the room had shared their partners with everyone else in the room. These people had been married five, 10, 20 years." She and her husband were invited to a barbeque with couples from Draper, Provo, Sandy and Salt Lake. A doctor made a move. "He's hitting on me, like he's single, and his wife's sitting right there. I think, there's another motive to this party and it's not just to hang out and meet new people." They got out of there. While there's no data, experts say it's proof of a trend. Vicky Burgess/Ph.D. Clinical Psychologist: "I think, because sexual relations and sex itself is more open, I think we're seeing more of it." We found there are several parties where couples can meet. Randy Chatelain, Ph.D./ Marriage and Family Therapist: "I believe this kind of behavior is going to catch up with a couple, because where does it stop? What more do you have to involve to create the high?" Hundreds of couples pack a popular Sandy nightclub. "A lot of people nowadays have fantasies and they want to fulfill them with their significant other. This is the best way to do that." This man, who asked not to be identified, built a business, helping couples meet at parties. His website suggests spouses can be in love and still enjoy sex with others. "They figure, 'I would much rather do it with the person I love than have them do it behind my back.'" From the looks of it, he's pretty successful. He has 4,000 members living in Utah. How fast is it growing? Four years ago there were 150 members. How common is it? Posing as a married woman, we signed up on a website aimed at so-called "swingers." In six days, 70 married men, most from Utah, ask to start a fling.

Swingers In Uniform - Pay your memorial day respects here. - Our country is what it is today because of our Men and Women in uniform... We are proud to be Americans and we salute you!!!! Sher & Kelly

People Who Try Too Hard - - Whoever could you mean??? LOL http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/forum http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/conversationalist If there is an ongoing debate in the forum (it's usually called a discussion... The very point of a forum), then wouldn't you agree that the likelihood of someone involved in a conversation, posting more than one time, is pretty damn good? Ask yourselves, how many one sentence or one statement conversations have you had in life? People who enjoy or seek this in forums are called "conversationalists". It's not wrong to get to know others. That is, after all, the reason we are all here. The poster puts their view out and the reader can decide whether they agree, disagree or desire to further discuss or elaborate on their side. It's like a dance of the minds. Some like the waltz, some like salsa, while others like a Mosh Pit. Just because you don't mosh doesn't mean that you should attempt to deny others of enjoying it. Tolerance is what I am getting at. I am a self-proclaimed asshole, but I still have the right to express myself. I have differing views from lots of people here. That's what I find to be beautiful about people. We are all unique in some form or another. It's uncovering those uniquities, I find to be the "buried treasures" among the vast diversity of people that post here. It's a small window into their being. You don't always like what you see, but it's still there no matter how much you complain. It's like those who had DJQ kicked off of here. I hated his views and all for which he stood, but in the end all he was guilty of was written expression of his view. Many wanted his head to roll and had him removed. Why? Because he didn't agree. Hell, he attacked my very service to this country. I hated his views. However, I still think he had the right to speak his heart. Admittedly, The forum became slightly less exciting after he left. The majority who read the forum remember what a prick he was, but they do remember him. He contributed to the conversation, no matter how skewed we felt his leftist position to be. I'll close my post with this... We are swingers... Don't you think people would disagree with our lifestyle choices, our views on marriage and the morale implications (if you are religious)? Furthermore, doesn't it all come down to personal choice. Just like you have the choice not to read this very post. :-) Just my thoughts, nothing more. Respectfully, -Mr TR- P.S. I whole-heartedly invite you to tell me to fuck off for my differing view. :-)

Snowboarding as an ice breaker - Skiers, boarders, and those with season passes - We ski Beaver Mountain.....don't really think there could be a more appropriate mountain to meet up with swingers at;).

Just a little friendly advise to most single male swingers. - Male swingers - lol that could be arranged yet distance always seems to be a hindrance.

Listing of LS group travel and dates - - All of January at the desires resorts is international swingers month. We are going Jan 9-16th. On all the other LS sites there is travel calendars. Not on here though.