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STD/STI Testing - - [quote=TOKI_WARTOOTH][quote=MAYBEMOR]This is the attitude we find so prevalent!!! Play on to your hearts content. [/quote] We can be tested regularly and play safe without being a paranoid little jackwagon. Maybe the attitude you have is why your postings got deleted off other sites.[/quote] No, Toki, you are the Jackwagon! The way you responded to this thread is an obvious display of your lack of intelligence about this issue. Maybemor and others are just attempting to make this lifestyle a little safer for all involved. Not sure if you read much but there was a situation recently in Kansas City where a man and his wife were HIV Positive and managed to put a number of people at risk of contracting HIV, and these are supposedly "swingers" who know better. I've been to parties for over 4 years!! Not everyone uses condoms. Maybe you do! But even a condom isn't going to protect you against Herpes!! You always use latex with oral sex Toki.. hmm... probably not.. and guess what, you are putting yourself at risk for Herpes! Even if you get tested for Herpes you still are at risk. You could have contracted it on the weekend, go in on Monday get tested, the whole gamut of tests, get negatives on everything. Then two to three weeks later you come down with itchy bumps that turn into sores, oh shit, guess what.. yep.. you just were infected and are now positive for Herpes.. Why.. because you don't get it!!! The reason we need more people to talk about this is people are getting STD's on this site and others like it. I applaud Rob and his willingness to do what some of you may think is not needed. Toki is a prime example of why you don't play with just anyone! Sure you can't stop everything all the time, and frankly anytime you have sex with multiple partners it's a risk. But let's not be stupid folks, let's be careful. You only have this life to live, why fuck it up for yourself and the one you love because you are stupid? PS.. I wrote a long post a few months ago about our own experience with the STD issue. I received a number of posts about others who carry HSV2. Interesting thing is some of these people who have HSV2, DO NOT always tell their potential partners they have the disease. Why? PURE IGNORANCE or just they don't give a shit (which is worse). I want to make sure everyone knows, this is MR ABC who is writing this post.

Speaking of beds... - A question for our friends - The wife and I have a question to post - wherein we ask this: What bed is the best possible match for a pair of swingers that love to play? This question comes about due to the recent demise of our bed. It appears that 2 years of AMAZING sex WILL destroy a low-quality mattress. The most frustrating part of the low-end mattress is the fact that even when it's just the Mrs. and I, there is entirely too much noise from the box spring set and mattress together to enjoy a hard ride without fear of the kids hearing and being mortified. Recommendations for soft, silent, and amazingly comfortable mattress sets will be greatly appreciated. -Scotch (& Kitten)

FANTASY FEST! - Whos going and do you want a body painter? - I am Jeff the Body Painter from FA in so cal and I am looking for a venue at Fantasy Fest in October, in Key West. Iwould like to do a swingers event, don't like painting vanillas, so let me know. You can contact me here or at my site, and look at my work as well, jeffthebodypainter.com Let me know! JTBP

To cover up or not to cover up - Slut shaming and the lifesyle - The two of us are both sexual by nature. Repressing our sexuality, to conform to conservative standards never felt quite right. Human sexual desire, and a full measure of sexual self expression, for most of us, requires at least one other human being that you can trust and that you want to share your sexual expression with, that also trust you and in return wants you sexually too. For some of us sexual self expression and fulfillment may include the desire to be sexually active with more than one person and in some cases include a desire for more than one gender. Swinging and the ever expanding category of people that are included within the community, perhaps, make the potential for sexual fulfillment more available. So how do you feel about balancing the joy of freely expressing your sexuality and the need to self protect in a world where not everyone understands boundaries? Can we agree that person to person, couple to couple, or members within a play group, involved in any actual in the flesh connections, that may include sex, that can and are happening within the community, in the vast majority of instances, only include people with an established attraction, and an certain level of established trust? People can only cross physical boundaries, if and when, they are near enough to the person with the boundaries, they are either invited, or not invited to cross. In the digital world, visual expressions and written displays of our sexuality, and some among us are overtly sexual, are kind of like a message in a bottle, flung to the tide. No matter how much detail you include in the messaging, anyone, walking along the beach might and will read it. If they get a little or even considerable pleasure from the message, so be it, no harm done. If they know they are not your target market or recognize that you are not what they're looking for, no harm done, so long as everyone remains respectful and understands the concept of consensual. Understanding messaging, when direct, or subtle, is perhaps a key that opens doors, that lead to other doors, that lead to places within us and in others, we want to have visited, but not by just anyone. Lelu, the Fifth Element, played by Milla Jovovich, in the movie of the same name, at one point in the movie, tells Corbin Dallas, played by Bruce Willis, "Not without my permission". Lelu, in just so many words, tells Dallas volumes about, who she is, and at that moment how she sees him, and that possibilities may exist, but are always consensual. As is the case, with Lelu and Dallas, we all send out messages, subtle and not so subtle, about our desires and our sexuality. We all open doors within us to people that discover the key and some doors are really not so hard to enter, whereas, others are. Perhaps, one sure way to close a lot of doors, is to behave like some construction worker cat calling "come on baby, you know you want it" to a attractive woman, walking down the street, as if her dressing sexy and revealing, for whoever she is heading to see, or just so that she might send a subtle message about desire and mood, entitles anyone to anything more than a respectful visual acknowledgement of her beauty. A subtle, respectful acknowledgment, with no expectations, and no pressure, such as a smile and a nod may, perhaps, begin something. Banging on her door, and taking verbal liberties, without an invitation, is more than kind of creepy. Perhaps, not to understand that, it's creepy, is even creepier. Slut shaming and taking liberties at any level, even within the lifestyle community, remains kind of creepy. Should swingers let their fear of the creepy sort inhibit their outward expressions, like an attractive woman, might decide to go out of her way to avoid the ignorant, uninvited comments made by a few workers without a clue and consequently without a hope or a prayer, to have anything consensual with a woman like her? Is reading, remembering and respecting signals when sent, perhaps paramount toward the development of all sorts of relationships, including swing relationships?

Do you agree, that some times it\'s ok to swing with a solo marr - - Our two Cents... If your just hooking up for sex and not friendship as many in the lifestyle are does it matter what the other partners have going on in there lives? Where they work, are they married etc? Everyone swings for there own reason and if all your looking for is pleasure of a third or whatever then so long as they are clean, respectful and discreat it really shouldn\'t concern you (Same goes for females). When you meet at a swingers club do you check everyones credentials, do a background check and call references? HOWEVER... if your looking for friends, more than just a one night stand (Not the No-Strings arrangment) then surely you would talk about why everyone is involved in the lifestyle and honesty etc become doubly important. Just our outlook.. we are pretty tough on our screening for swing partners and friends been burnt too many times. Amanda & Peter

Orchard Place - Event info - Ryan and Kara are top-notch hosts and the venue is by far the best in Utah for swingers. It's the closest thing we have in Utah to a swingers club -- but it's better because it's clean, comfortable, low-pressure, the music is not loud (so you can actually chat and get to know other couples), and it feels a lot like a low-key meet & greet with a little bit of a charged sexual atmosphere. The crowd trends towards the younger side (mid-40's and below) but there are a few older folks there. WAY better than habits.... but we hate loud music and dancing... so... ;)

they fix mobile and killed photo albums - - It is just part of the new mobile rollout. You can only see each individual profile picture at a specific GPS coordinate. The idea is that swingers will bump into each other while they are all out looking for the locations that let them catch each others naked profile pictures.

Women with hall passes - Ever get with other couples - We've been known to do that but only if it's quid pro quo. Unfortunately there are quite a few people out there trying to game the system, claiming they're swingers when really all they want is another female to join them. They use various tactics to try to separate the female from her partner and will, of course, never reciprocate. Now we'll only consider ii if we've known the couple for a little while and at very least played together with them. Yeah we're assholes that way. [em]Emo_84[/em]

Fornication may become legal in Utah. - celebrate with a party? - Okay sorry. There are those who are both swingers and believers in the predominate faith here in Utah. And that's cool. Obviously, I know enough about it to try a bit of sarcastic humor, and enough to put my foot in my mouth, but I do not mean to offend anyone. I have a lot of believer friends and over all the latter day saints are mostly very, very nice people. A two star general I knew, who has since passed away, and decided to live in Utah after he retired once said, he didn't personally want to become LDS, but he did decide that's who he wanted for his neighbors. As for the creation of public policy and legislation, the divisiveness we are currently in the midst of is super counter productive. My bad in that as well. Sorry. This state has it's policy strengths.

What is up with Swingular and Drama? - - Drama is on every swinger forum because, just like every other social group out there, some swingers never really graduated from junior high. There will always be the people that thrive on drama or have to build themselves up by causing others grief. Also : Anonymity on the internet empowers douche bags. These two factors combined explain away a lot.