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Paris Clubs - recommendations? - We are in Paris tonight and are looking up swingers clubs. There are so many to choose from. Can anyone recommend any? Something more casual, perhaps a spa. Thanks in advance for any input.
would you? - if you found this on your car in the morning? - Well, since we don't take the bus, probably would push it off, since it's novelty is old. The people that would find it amusing would be either A- immature, or B- Swingers. You'd run across a lot of A's but the B's are much more rare. Guess I'd have to push it off and go to work..
Franknfelicity - Honesty - As per a recent request I will post that this is a local issue in Utah, And I suppose I should expect the anonymity that is so precious to all the closet swingers in this area. I apologize to those from outside our twilight zone. But also envy your freedom of choice without judgment
Dating other Couples - Have you done it? - Been there, done that, have the t-shirt. We know plenty of people who've done it, and done it successfully (up to a point), ourselves included. We don't know of many, if any, where it has lasted for more than a few years and didn't end somewhat badly.
It CAN be quite heady and has the potential to take swinging to the next level. Unfortunately, it is also exponentially more likely to crank up the drama factor to eleven (out of ten).
Quite often each couple has their own "agenda" (for lack of a better term) that is often at odds with the other couple's agenda. We've seen it frequently cause weird jealousies not only between primary partners but also between non-primary partners and in a few extreme notable cases it has ended marriages.
In our case, we were relatively long-term swingers at that point who, although never really super active in the scene, felt like we'd checked off most of the things on our swinging bucket list and were somewhat curious if there was more out there to explore in swingerdom...or if we were sort of done with the scene.
The couple we started "dating" wasn't really the kind of couple we usually were attracted to and maybe that was part of the allure. They also had a very interesting (to say the least) dynamic in their marriage that really was at odds with that in our relationship. Ultimately they kept pushing boundaries (started throwing the "L" word around and much more), pushed for more and more separate activities and were insidious in slowly and subtly causing rifts, both large and small, as well as a LOT of drama. We actually didn't even realize how much drama and subterfuge had occurred until we were finally out of the situation entirely.
We actually miss them a little, at times, and often wonder if there might have been a way to talk things out and come to a better understanding of how to continue on in a healthier way but they've actually gone on to do exactly the same thing to a number of other couples we know (it's a small world in Utah swinging and word gets around) and it seems to be their pattern.
Tldr; It can work. It's quite rare when it works long term. It has the potential for disaster. While it's appealing in many ways we don't really recommend it. YMMV
Cumming - In pussy or mouth - There is nothing sweeter than cumming deep inside a woman. And where we are not super active swingers we do have one friend who we have known for a long time and know his sexual history extensively, and there have been a couple occasions where he came inside her and Oh my hell was it hot and even hotter when i unloaded inside of her after him.
Don't You Hate When..... - List the things that annoy you. - Besides me, list some of the things that really annoy you. Let me start this one by saying... I really think it's childish when someone writes you an email in private, saying all the things that they want to get off their guilty little chest and then they put a block on me, so that I cannot reply. What are these people like 12 years old?
Apparently, following the "Why so much hate in the swingers world" thread, the racial comments that followed and my thoughts on the situation, another floridian couple (I won't mention names), thought I was directing my comments toward them. So, they decided to write me and tell me how wrong I was about them and that I must be hiding my picture because it may apply to me and all this nonsensical crap, only to block me from telling them, they had nothing to do with my remarks.
I would just like to ask these idiots that, if what I said didn't apply to them, why did they get so defensive??? It appears as though the truth may have hurt these two tolerant and progressive people. Why write me, trying to justify to me how you're not racist and that black guys in the Florida area are arrogant and "put themselves up on a pedestal? Here is what they wrote me:
Originally wrote in thread:
"perhaps TEQUILAROSE was confused by my statement, I stated that alot of people have fetish's but I do not know alot of white couples that are interested in black men..."
Email One:
"do not dare accuse me of racism, i have heard of your attacks in forums from other people on this site, it is extremely taboo to say you are not interested in black, and black men seem to love to place themselves on a pedestal, i live in tampa, i know ALOT of black people and honestly i have alot of exposure to them but i have no interest and i voiced what i have noticed in the swing world and i made it clear it was my opinion but do not attempt to play the racist card with me, keep in mind its not nearly as taboo to say your not interested in chinese, mexican, cuban, italian, however its not taboo for a black person to say he or she is not into interracial, its a double standard and its wrong."
Email Two:
"by the way, i do not see your husbands photo, it seems like racism is a sensitive subject for you, since you seem to wear it on your sleeve, is there a reason for the hostility thats closer to home?"
WTF?
Just to kill any presumptuous suspicions that some of you may have, I will say that this couple is from the Riverview, FL area and not Palm Coast, FL area. This mean Kristylynn did not write this. That's the best way to put it without violating someone's privacy. So don't draw any conclusions.
Anyway, I am interested in hearing some of the things that piss you guys off in the lifestyle. So write it down. All I ask is that you not mention any names, 'cept mine. I could give a fuck. I think they best way to understand people is to find out what makes them tick and what ticks them off. No pun intended.
-D-
Here's something Ive been curious about - - You can't be a "real" swinger unless you're official. We answered an ad in the back of a Spiderman comic book, sent in a quiz and a drawing (boobs and a penis) and they told us we would be AWESOME swingers and to send them 19.95 plus P&H. Now we're card carrying swingers.
If our certification ever expires we're just gonna be plain old wife swappers.
New Forum Rules - No Censorship, No Moderation, Just a Few Rules -
Rob,
Very good move. Most popular public forums on the web have moderators that keep it above the belt. I am a "levels of force" kinda person. I usually keep it in the "smack talk" region until someone pulls out the big guns and says something that totally insults me, my service to the country, my way of life etc. Then I think it's fair to defend myself. I was never one to tolerate bullies
Forum moderation is a good think as long as you are not dinged on everything you say. If done in moderation itself, I think it's key in a happy community. After all, not all of us will agree all of the time. Any good community has a police system in place.
Some of us do not hold themselves to a moral believe system (dogma). What it "proper etiquette" to some, may not be to others. We are a culturally & sexually diverse, multi-faceted, large gamut of unique individuals. Each of us even differ from our spouses/significant others (if that applies). Can you you say you never argue with your spouse? Can you say you have never said anything brash to anyone? Were you apologetic to those you did not like? I think most reasonable individuals would say yes to most of those and no to the last one. What is more likely, is that they chose to avoid contact with that person.
Everyone here has a choice to involve themselves in the conversations that happen here. For instance, if you were to post in a "GAY MARRIAGE" thread and post your opinion as to why an adult of clear mind and total consent, should not be allowed to enter into legal marriage with another adult of any sex, they so chose because of your own personal moral system. You are then adamant about holding to you view no matter how many time you are told that there is a seperation of church and state and that the "sanctity of marriage, between a man and a woman" is that of religious code and does not apply to the legal system, as it is unconstitutional. Yet you still wish to force your law on the rest of society because your upbringing told you that homosexuality is wrong and that marriage is not meant for gays. If this applies to you, then you are not reasonable and the only way I wish to deal with unreasonable people is to tell them to fuck off. I am saying you don't have the right to avoid homosexual marriage for youself? NO! I am saying you don't have the right to choose for others.
I guess what I am saying is that many of you don't want to hear anyone say anything that differs from your own little world, yet you are swingers. Many of you think one -way and don't want to hear something that turns your belief system on it's head. If you can not respect or tolerate diversity I have no respect for you. I will not respect your beliefs, rights or opinions if you will not afford everyone else the same. YOU REAP WHAT YOU SEW.
I vow, from hence forth, to do my best to be civil to everyone here. I expect the same from all of you. I can play nice with you, if you play nice with me. Remember, if you disrespect me, I will definetly return the courtesy :-) Thanks Rob. Thank you for proving that forum moderation can be a good thing.
-Don-
"Ich habe einen kleinen Vogel in meinem Kopf."
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Swinging games - Games you play with a group - We have this card game called do or drink full of funny, naughty and crazy things to do in a group. There are a few cards we have to remove when playing with a groups of swingers. Like any having to do with social media or calling family members... but the ones like touch the genitals of the person to your right for a turn can be fun
HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED TO YOU? - -
There are a lot of swingers out there that
1) should consider themselves Poly. meaning they want a meaningful relationship with others.
or
2) they have spent so much time and energy in trying to find a match that once they do they make bad judgements calls in regard to how to handle the relationship.
The best thing to do is lots of communication. However if that does not work run fast. Some people do have attactment issues.
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