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The Vent part II - Secrecy - I once heard it put *I dont grow potatos where I get my meat*, I prefer to say *I dont play in my own backyard*. I know... I'm just one of *those* single men. You know, it doesnt sound like you give your *vanilla* friends much credit. You assume *they* would not enjoy a local *off premise* swingers club. Have you ever sat your vanilla friends down and talk to them (feel them out so to speak), to see if they are looking for ways to *spice* up their relationship? I've taken many *vanilla* women to the local swinger clubs. Ok, so some wont go back, but others are like *wow, that was fun!! I'm not into swinging and swapping, but these people are great!* Here in the Dallas / Ft Worth area, the lifestyle is HOT and happening! There are at least 7 off premise clubs, and as many on premise clubs. Plus many swingers in the area prefer going to the *vanilla* clubs to pick up men, women, and other couples. In MHO, IF, and I say IF, you go to a swinger club hoping/looking/expecting to pick up someone, I feel you've gone for the wrong reason. Go to have fun, meet new people, network, and IF you find someone at the club you enjoy being with, then I'm sure *as they say here in Texas* ya'll are going to have some swapping fun.... And yes, I have been part of a couple, with a few different women. Why am I not still a couple with any of them? They seem to start really getting into the lifestyle, and then they realize they're having too much fun, and scare themselves out of it. Oh yeah, and I'm the asshole single male, the most unwanted animal in the lifestyle. lol

Just looking for other couples happy with super soft and no swap - There must be more of us out there? - This subject is whats making it hard for us real swingers to find real friends !!!! I dont think they are trying to be mean by saying face book is a good place for ya they are just being honest ...... But I hope u find what your looking for dont really see much fun in it though !!! But each there own ... Just sayin ... Thanx J

Distances and meeting swing partners - - Some of the most fun we have had was with cpls just passing through on vacation :-) Other than those travelers we limit our play to within a hours drive except of course when we go to a snow ski resort and setup fun with other swingers who love to play in the mountains.

swingers resort - - We are told there is a swingers resort just outside of Palm Springs has anyone attended there and what age group attends there

Looking for Swinger friendly hotels in Brevard Co. Fl - - Here are all of te sites that I could fit together from all over FL... Hope this helps. Name: AMORE SWINGERS CLUB Address: P.O. Box 2283 City, State: Ormond Beach, FL Distance: 449 miles Phone: 386-255-1600 Email: [email protected] Contact: Petra & Joe Website: Not Listed Description: PARTIES EVERY WEDNESDAY-FRIDAY & SATURDAY 7.00PM-3.00AM, FOR INVITED COUPLES & SELECT SINGLES. Name: The Lifestyle Ranch Address: 16571 SE 49St Rd City, State: Ocklawaha, FL Distance: 472 miles Phone: 352-625-8918 Email: [email protected] Contact: N/A Website: http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/lifestylera... Description: 8 acre secluded Private ranch catering to lifestyle couples and single ladies! We are Free and intrested in friends and friendship only! Name: CharlieWoods Address: Just off I-4 City, State: Orange City, FL Distance: 474 miles Phone: (386) 775-2372 Email: N/A Contact: Charlie and Carolyn Website: Not Listed Description: On-premise for couples and singles. We have 6 acres to party on with dance floor, hot tub, pool and private playrooms. Name: Club Relate Address: PO Box 574584 City, State: Orlando, FL Distance: 500 miles Phone: 407-678-2540 Email: [email protected] Contact: Tom & Lynda Website: http://www.clubrelate.net Description: A masturbation swing club for couples and singles of both sexes, meeting on Saturdays. Twelve years of operation Name: RANCH 4 PLAY Address: Call City, State: Orlando, FL Distance: 502 miles Phone: (352) 483-1988 Email: [email protected] Contact: N/A Website: http://ranch4play.com/ Description: RANCH 4 PLAY is situated on a 5 acre site in a peaceful, wooded site 30 minutes from Orlando Florida. As a guest of RANCH 4 PLAY, you will have access to the cleanest on-premise, private, swingers party in all of central Florida. Name: J.D. & Sandra's Address: P.O. Box 720249 City, State: Orlando, FL Distance: 509 miles Phone: 866-738-3950 Email: [email protected] Contact: J.D. & Sandra Website: http://www.jdnsandras.com Description: On premise club for couples and select singles every Saturday. Name: Florida Social Address: * City, State: Fort Walton Beach, FL Distance: 516 miles Phone: * Email: [email protected] Contact: Steve and Mandy Website: http://www.floridasocial.com Description: Premiere off-premise adult swingers club. We strive to provide adult couples in the swinging lifestyle a fun safe place to meet and get to know other like minded adult couples. Our socials are always exciting and we can't wait to meet you! Rating: (10=Best 1=Worst) 12 Ratings Clean Atmos. Cost Summary Website Avg. 7 7 6 7 You may only rate clubs within 350 miles of you. Name: The Partyhouse Address: 14051 Old Dade City Road City, State: Kathleen, FL Distance: 531 miles Phone: 863-853-7750 Email: [email protected] Contact: Anne Website: http://www.centralflpartyhouse.com Description: We party in a private home, with ample parking and privacy for couples and single males and females. We have monthly special events The parties are on friday and saturday evenings Name: The Bottom Line Address: 3090 Evans Avenue City, State: Fort Myers, FL Distance: 637 miles Phone: 239-337-7292 Email: n/a Contact: John Website: http://www.clubtbl.com Description: Club that meets every Friday night. Name: Deenies Hideaway Address: 5011 W. Hillsboro Blvd. City, State: Pompano Beach, FL Distance: 650 miles Phone: 954-428-3336 Email: [email protected] Contact: Deenie Website: http://deenieshideaway.com Description: Luxurious private on premise swingers retreat for over 20 years. We are open 365 days a year. We have gourmet buffet, volleyball, a pool talbe, indoor hot tub, swimming pool and cozy playrooms. Name: Club Hedonism Address: 1000 east sample road City, State: Pompano Beach, FL Distance: 651 miles Phone: 954-783-4741 Email: [email protected] Contact: N/A Website: http://clubhedonism.com/ Description: South Florida's finest on premise club. wed -sat 8pm till 4am couples only sat. huge dance floor private rooms group rooms.Upscale and affordable Name: Club 3299 Address: n/a City, State: Pompano Beach, FL Distance: 651 miles Phone: 954-815-3299 Email: [email protected] Contact: Jeff Website: n/a Description: Social club for those in the lifestyle. Name: Club Chic Address: 525 East Sample Road City, State: Pompano, FL Distance: 654 miles Phone: 954-781-8884 Email: [email protected] Contact: n/a Website: http://www.clubchic.com/ Description: Off premise club with DJ, buffet, BYOB. Open Saturdays Name: Trapeze Address: 3660 W. Commercial Blvd City, State: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Distance: 658 miles Phone: 954-730-8121 Email: [email protected] Contact: Alan or Dennis Website: http://www.trapezeclub.com Description: On premise club open Wed-Sun 8pm-5am. We offer a buffet. BYOB Name: Platos Repeat Address: 321 West Sunrise Blvd City, State: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Distance: 658 miles Phone: 954-523-9818 Email: [email protected] Contact: n/a Website: http://www.platos-repeat.com/ Description: Private on premise swing club open Wed-Sun. We have a four star buffet, made to oder breakfast on weekends, DJ and alcohol is BYOB. Rating: Name: Anakosha Address: 2338 Immokalee Road #146 City, State: Naples, FL Distance: 665 miles Phone: 941-436-2014 Email: [email protected] Contact: n/a Website: http://www.anakosha.org/ Description: Couples only parties for the purposes of education and exploration of human sexuality and love in the context of marriage and alternative relationships. Membership required.

Speed swinging? Just a thought. - kinda like speed dating but speed swinging - I actually think it is a great idea. I am not sure any play would immediately come out of it, but it would certainly be a quick way to decide which couples you would want to contact further. Especially given busy lives, it may be just the think busy swingers need!

FAKES CERTIFIED AS REAL!?!?!?!? - HOW DO WE GET RID OF THE FAKES? - We also have been talking with her - or him, apparently. Maybe the rules need to be adjusted - whoever certified this freak should have their certification priviliges taken away. I also spoke with his ex-girlfriend - poor girl, she really has had a hard time with this. This guy gave out HER contact information - she was getting calls and texts from swingers, not knowing what was going on. Hopefully, the admin will address this accordingly! A&K

Hostile pricks in the lifestyle - - sorry...Male here... Whoever said something about your wife being grown in alaska...I would like to have one grown...Can you tell me which garden? COme on...Do not be greedy with the info...We could use one...I would have taken it as a compliment....but I like whales and think your wife is a fox... As to the to old to fat comment...A lot of people are "fantasy swingers" and as soon as they have some sort of real contact, they have to quickly find an excuse to turn you off...and what woman, no matter how big she is, would NOT be turned off by that comment? So to all your swinging people...I have a motto I live by...and I will share oit with you... FUCK THEM ALL BUT ONE...NEED SOMEONE TO LIGHT THE FIRE...AND I HOPE THAT ASSHOLE LIGHTS HIS SHIRT ON FIRE DOING IT!!!! Not that everyone is an asshole, but a lot are, and thusly the fuck them all attitude...BUt then again..I am an asshole to...I just hide it better than some others ;)

Anything but Habits?! - Chill Hangouts? - Habits is a fun club, and we've tried it out a few times, but we're not really into the club scene. We like to chill, play pool, drink beer, talk and listen to rock and roll.... is there any swingers places like this? Help!!!

Is this one of your rules? What is it? is it fear? or something - Does everyone feel this way? - CLASSY: Good topic! :) Neither Siren nor myself have set any specific rules about time parameters being met before we'll play with a couple, but as always with many things in life...our playing has it's dynamics and nuances, which are always evolving. So, to respond to a few of the questions you posed: Fear of STD's? Not specifically. Fear of thinking of ourselves as sluts? Absolutely not. Sometimes sluthood is fun! Fear of others thinking we are sluts? We don't and have never given a patoot about what others think of us. Values, morals? No way! We are "swingers" after all, and besides...we've both spent our time in an organized "forum" (former mormons), worrying about whether or not we were being "worthy" or if Jesus was happy with us; we're sooo done with that! Do we have to BBQ before we'll fuck someone? What's the point of that? Besides...sometimes through the interaction of a BBQ you realize, "I really don't wanna boink this person." If our kids have played together? Nah...children fall outside of the spectrum of the specific lifestyle. They're part of the social nature when we're not swinging with those that we have met during the course of our experiences. It's all good. Is random sex scary? Well, yes it is...or it CAN be...but especially if you don't practice wisdom and are not reasonable by indulging in indiscriminate sex with EVERYONE you come across. There are some seriously scary-ass people out there! This question is along the same lines as the first question of fear of STD's. Taboo? Well, hell...yes it is...and I believe that is part of the intrigue; part of the whole mind-game of swinging. Bottom line: Siren and I have been known to play on first dates, and we've been known to wait a long time, and as can be expected have had a grab-bag of results. We never carry an agenda or ulterior motives (expectations) when we socialize or meet people. We can draw no conclusion using the good vs. bad experiences and if they were a first-time play or not. We do, however, go with how we feel at any given moment and at any given event. You know...sometimes it just feels right and sometimes, the Mo-Jo is simply not there. ~J~