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KSL swing story - - For those of you guys out of town. This is the transcript from the KSL website.
"Everyone has shared their partners with everyone else in the room."
"You're in happy valley and you think nothing like that could happen."
An Eyewitness News Investigation takes us inside a delicate subject few people like to talk about -- infidelity, couples cheating, in secret, in the open, and joining a movement that appears to be gaining momentum.
We heard persistent rumors that spouse-swapping and adultery is commonplace in certain suburban neighborhoods. We discovered those rumors were based on at least some truth. People told us they were being recruited -- marriage counselors say they are seeing more if it.
There aren't statistics or easy answers, but it's clear the effects can be devastating.
Love, commitment, holy matrimony. In Utah, where marriage vows and family values run deep.
Woman: "They said it was more exciting when their spouse was involved."
This story will open eyes to something many would like to keep secret.
"It was taboo within their religious background."
"I thought, this can't be happening here. This is Utah."
Sometimes it's kept very quiet, among neighbors and friends. Other times, it's out in the open. Studies show infidelity is to blame for more than half of divorces in Utah. What we found surprised even experts.
We knocked on doors, attended a party. We heard stories by phone, by email, but nothing could match what we heard in a pocket of Draper.
"Something was wrong with every other neighbor in that neighborhood."
Her husband's indiscretions shattered their marriage.
"Intensely, intensely painful. It's the hardest thing I've ever been through in my life."
The divorce final, he remarried one of their neighbors within a week. It seems adultery ran rampant. Up the block it was consensual with other married neighbors cheating together.
People told us they moved to get away from it and stayed inside to avoid it. Across town one woman told us she just wanted to run from it:
"Everyone in the room had shared their partners with everyone else in the room. These people had been married five, 10, 20 years."
She and her husband were invited to a barbeque with couples from Draper, Provo, Sandy and Salt Lake. A doctor made a move.
"He's hitting on me, like he's single, and his wife's sitting right there. I think, there's another motive to this party and it's not just to hang out and meet new people."
They got out of there.
While there's no data, experts say it's proof of a trend.
Vicky Burgess/Ph.D. Clinical Psychologist: "I think, because sexual relations and sex itself is more open, I think we're seeing more of it."
We found there are several parties where couples can meet.
Randy Chatelain, Ph.D./ Marriage and Family Therapist: "I believe this kind of behavior is going to catch up with a couple, because where does it stop? What more do you have to involve to create the high?"
Hundreds of couples pack a popular Sandy nightclub.
"A lot of people nowadays have fantasies and they want to fulfill them with their significant other. This is the best way to do that."
This man, who asked not to be identified, built a business, helping couples meet at parties. His website suggests spouses can be in love and still enjoy sex with others.
"They figure, 'I would much rather do it with the person I love than have them do it behind my back.'"
From the looks of it, he's pretty successful. He has 4,000 members living in Utah. How fast is it growing? Four years ago there were 150 members.
How common is it? Posing as a married woman, we signed up on a website aimed at so-called "swingers." In six days, 70 married men, most from Utah, ask to start a fling.
Somebody already said this - Need to know where to go since Habits closed - hey club 90 has had its share of swinger partys and no one knew it was a swinger party except the swingers who were meeting and its just a block away from sandy station..so..
TALKING TO YOUR KIDS ABOUT THE LIFESTYLE? - - So, what happens when your daughter and her boyfriend show up to the same swingers party? My daughter and I simply agreed that we would play like always.
Hot school mom's - - It's fun to fantasize. Unfortunately the reality is that the VAST majority, especially here in Utah and ESPECIALLY in a conservative enclave like Bountiful would never in a million years even begin to seriously THINK about extra-marital sex of any kind. One of the traps that swingers fall into (and yes, all of us are guilty of it) is getting sort of desensitized to what we do in our little hobby and starting to think that others would probably be open to it given the right circumstances. We get used to checking out attractive people or couples and start thinking that they could possibly be swingers as well. That's how all the threads about black rings and such get started. Or we get into the whole "vanilla hunting" mindset and falsely think that there's a fairly good chance that any given person would be interested in swinging when in reality most people are more than repelled by the idea. Keep on wondering and fantasizing but we'd leave it in the realm of fantasy. Sorry brah.
Hardly sexual... - but occupying my thoughts anyway - Uh...FWIW I'm totally FOR making this a reality but I was kiddin' about the part that would in any way let anyone know that a group of swingers were behind any kind of altruistic effort to help feed the hungry. Don't get me wrong, for the most part swingers are awesome, wonderful, sharing (wink) people. But I doubt many people outside the lifestyle would want much to do with a group of people who fuck each others spouses recreationally regardless of how generous and charitable we are. Remember, most vanillas find everything about us no less than absolutely disgusting. So let's ALSO figure out a way to maybe make this happen...but not from a group of swingers. Maybe we can come up with something sort of tongue in cheek, an inside joke of some sort if you will, that won't 'out' us as a group of swingers. Maybe name it something like "Sharing, Caring Partners" or something along those lines. [em]Emo_12[/em]
And on a completely unrelated note...GO UTES!
Where are the Bi couples??? - - XPLORR94248
I guess I am trying to be optimistic trying to think of a rational, logical reason for such 'foaming at the mouth' fear, trying to come up with a reason that I can understand. quite frankly I do not understand it. I don't understand why the value of a person changes based on external or internal genitals, if you think about it just on a logical basis, the only function of 2 sexes is the ability to mix DNA and produce variation in offspring. so it would seem that sexual stimulation for reasons other than procreation, logically, there should be no distinction between male and female.
but evolution only cares about what produces successful offspring that can go on to further reproduce, bringing up the question, what is the evolutionary function of homosexual males? I have read some scholarly papers proposing an evolutionary basis for bisexuality. but I digress
I would have thought that people would have grown out of irrational fears, and would have thought that swingers would be more open and experimental with sexuality.
but if bi males scare them or make them unhappy and they choose not to participate with any, well it is their right.
even though it is rare he participates at all, we listed our guy as bi curious, and we still get more offers than we have time for, and about 30% are couples.
maybe a suggestion to the OP would be to more photos, some videos, etc. anything to draw more profile views, if only 1 out of 1000 are a good match for them, if they only get 10 views a day, they will have a long wait between matches.
Las Vegas looking for swingers info. - - Only thing that I have heard about is that RED ROOSTER joint... Lots of strips clubs
any penty brothels outside of town.
closed doors? - - It seems as if the doors are closed to a couple with little or no experience.
Why is that?
My wife and I have been posting ads on various swing sites for a while now and haven't been lucky enough to find a nice couple or single female to hook up with.
Is it that swingers don't want to "waste their time" breaking in newbies or what?
We've chatted with a single female who blew us off and a couple of couples who have done the same.
We would just love to find a couple or single female who we can actually hook up with. How are you supposed to "enjoy the lifestyle" when the lifestyle won't enjoy you?
The Green Door??? - - TROYB- Well, we are not professionals, and that was our first time to a swingers club, so we do not have any other reference. But we did meet about five other couples that we like us early to mid-30
A question for singles..... - and please be honest. - After reading some of the comments... It begs the question aren't the singles on here advertising the fact that they are or want to be swingers? Looking for partners to explore the swinging experience? Or are they just people who are looking to get free sex? I'm not saying that any of it is wrong but singles used to date then have sex and then get involved with others. I'm not sure when the swinger sites became dating sites for sex starved singles. Not saying it's bad or good just asking.