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To cover up or not to cover up - Slut shaming and the lifesyle - Sadly there are many entirely false stereotypes about swingers that non swingers and/or newbies to the lifestyle believe. Probably the most predominant one is that someone who is a swinger (especially a woman) is more or less DTF anyone, any time, anywhere. We used to try to educate those who thought this way but often they don't want to believe the truth because it destroys their fantasy about swinging. Now we just avoid those individuals because more often than not they are the very same individuals who don't understand or listen when someone says, "No."
PurfectLV party this weekend - - We know in some circles it is considered bad form to reply to your own post, but we thought an update on PurrfectLV would be useful for some. We went to the party last Friday night and we really enjoyed it.
The venue at the top of the Mandalay Bay is fantastic. The swinger group has a separate room with a bar and with music at a low volume so conversation is easy. You can also go mingle in the main club/bar if you want to dance. There is also a great outdoor patio/balcony with a view of the Strip.
The crowd (at least those we talked to) were mostly out of towners - for example, there was a whole party from Alaska who had only arrived in Vegas that night. There did also seem to be some regulars. Everyone seemed very easygoing and friendly - like most swingers.
You can buy the admission ticket online before hand (we did) - it is more expensive to pay at the door. Online cost was $40 (plus a fee) for a couple with no additional charge for our third (a single female). Adding a single guy would ramp this up significantly. We are not sure how this compares to the regular admission to the club but it seemed reasonable given the private room. Bar prices were a bit steep by SLC standards - $14 for a glass of wine.
Iman is a gracious and efficient hostess. She does this every week and has obviously streamlined the process. One really nice touch is that PurrfectLV guests don't have to stand in the regular line and are given a wristband. This gets you into the private room and means that you can also recognize other swingers even in the main bar.
The main party runs from 10.30pm. At 1.30pm many people moved on to the after party which is in a hotel suite. This party is effectively a private house party and is BYOB. We didn't go so can't comment but it is definitely a full swing party. Iman circulates at the main party and distributes a second wristband for those interested. There is an additional contribution for this ($20/couple, single female again free).
Is it ok for a man to be bi only when a womans present - - Psychologists have postulated that sexual preferences is like a line. At one end there is Hetrosexuality. At the other end of that line is homosexuality. At any moment in time or place or condition anyone may be anywhere on that line. Some people believe that they are at one extreme or the other thus they are either gay or straight...
Mostly because of cultural and environmental circumstances, men are conditioned to be masculine, the hunter gathers and the strong silent type. Steadfast and independent, able to handle everythign by himself....except nuturing children.... Women on the other hand are conditioned to nuture children....of either sex and therefore there is no real stigma attached about kissing or holding people of the same gender....
In recent years some men are beginning to question this conditioning... and turning to what was called, "if it feels good do it" of the 60's. More men are declaring that they may can slide on that line and can be bi under certain circumstances. Unlike their femine counterparts bisexuality for men seems not to be so much about having any feelings or attraction to other males but more about whatever feels good at the time... There is no sacrifice to a mans "Manhood" if he goes down that lines from time to time or even decide that under the Play situation of sexual fun that some contact is OK, whatever that contact may entail.
Somehow some people think that any excuse is necessary to justify bi play.... If one is confident with themself and can take the attitude, " dance like ther's noone watching" then what is all the bigotry about bi sexuality with men but Ok or actually almost required in Females.... I love to hear Joe Shit the Ragman saying "I'm openminded but I don't like bi men" or "It OK for them so long as I don't have to be around them" "We're openminded but bi males are a risk I just don't want to deal with" NUFF said... I'm straight but not closed minded... I've said it before... If there are 2 or more couples in a pile and someone starts sucking on your dick and it feels good do you look down and tell this guy to stop? Do you look at all? And what's thedifference if you don't know...? Ever thought of being involded in a glory hole? what if there's a guy on the other side of the wall? And finally do you realize that you are sucking someone elses cock by proxie when you kiss your wife and you are swingers and at a party....? Just food for thought ...No punn intended.
New Forum Category Suggestions - Let's hear your ideas. - how about one called "Swingers Business Network" or something similar where users that own business can post what services they have. or if they know a swinger friendly business.
We would much rather give our hard earned cash to a fellow lifestyle or Lifestyle friendly business than to some of the wretched closed minded old farts in this world.
Small Town - Speak Out - We live in a small town in Texas. We have (according to the profiles on several swing sites)
about 35 swinging couples within 20 miles of us.
We are business owners in our town and have somewhat clear face shots on our profile.
None of the other couples have pics at all.
Since putting our face pics up our business has had an increase in the past 2 years .
Our biggest problem is we send emails to those couple that are nearby and never get a response. Heck our next door neighbor has parties about once a month and we are sure they are swingers but we are never invited.
We understand about people losing their jobs in some cases, but heck WE live in the middle of the \"BIBLE BELT in Texas.\"
We have a commissioner that lives about 2 miles away that is trying to shut down the G-RATED strip clubs in our county. (Stripping down to panties and pasties) and he fights stores that have EASYRIDER magazine on their shelves.
The most hilarious thing is he is one of our customers and comes to our annual customer BBQ\'s........lmao
Paris Clubs - recommendations? - We are in Paris tonight and are looking up swingers clubs. There are so many to choose from. Can anyone recommend any? Something more casual, perhaps a spa. Thanks in advance for any input.
Monthly Photo Contest - Who would be interested? - Oh yeah! I think it would be awesone!! Have a best butt (men and women) Best tit/Chest, Best coochie/thingy!! lmao...on a swingers site and I can not even use the correct terminoogy..is that pathetic or what???
But yes, we think it would be an awesome idea!!!
Advice anyone? - Questions - male half here
maybe i can put this in a nut shell, if your at a meet and greet, just party with these people just as if you were partying with a vinilla couple, your there with no expectations, your not hitting on anyone just enjoying that you are out with fun people, you never know they might just invite you to continue the party after the meet and greet, and if they don't, oh well. go to the next one, it will happen, just don't go with expectations, just because we swing, or like single males, that is going to happen, we have many single male freinds that we have not played with, but we are all aware that we are swingers, its just about going and having a good time.
Swinging ,Or cheating? - - Swinging is having sex with people who are not your legal spouses. By definition, having sex with someone who is not your legal spouse is cheating. Therefore all swingers are cheaters, whether or not the spouse knows it. Now, throw that out the window, and label everyone who swings, as cheaters, but ONLY if their spouse does not participate. Don\'t bother to find out if he or she knows, approves, or even suggested it themselves.
Having said that, I am still totally amazed that there are so many narrow-minded folks in this lifestyle. Yes, I completely agree that EVERYONE should know what is going on. I completely DISAGREE that those who play without their spouse\'s participation are automatically defiend as cheaters.
I cannot speak for anyone else, but the fact remains, I don\'t do a thing without my spouse knowing about it. That includes participation in video chat (which she comes to very frequently, just ask anyone who is a regular), e-mailing or chatting with others, meeting, hanging out, or even adult play. If people bothered to get to know me, they would know that. But they knee-jerk and completely eliminate great people like me from their lives, just because they didn\'t bother to look before their leap to label.
If they want to shut me out because I am married and my wife doesn\'t participate, they should go ahead and exercise their right to do so. It doesn\'t bother me a bit. They are perfectly entitled to do so, and I applaud them for that choice.
But they are not allowed to jump to the conclusion that I am \"cheating\" because she doesn\'t play. That\'s grade-school-playground namecalling, slanderous, and beyond immature.
If you don\'t know the circumstances, then you don\'t have the right to go around labeling everyone else. Whoever you are.
Swinger behavior at vanilla parties... - Where do you draw the line of appropriate? - [quote=WENDYBLWMEHARDR] Wow, where do you begin with this? 1. Your at a vanillia party = no flirting or flashing! 2. Children are present! = no flirting or flashing! 3. Most importantly how Dare someone say anything hurtful to a child or anyone else for that matter = no class !! 4. These folks should be Outted I would hate for someone elses child to be the next victim because some folks dont have the testicular fortitude to speak out against such attrocities !! 5. This makes you as bad as them . Look in the mirror and ask yourself why you even posted this drama . Did you do it just to stirr the pot because you like the drama ? Or did you really want some good to come from this? Do the right thing and Out them and then ban them from all events. Bad things happen when good people do nothing to prevent it! Take a stand and choose your side there is no grey area here .[/quote]
As I said earlier, I am biting my tongue not screaming out who this person is...but as pointed out above, I would then be the one in trouble...so you ask why did I post this? No it was not to stir the pot or to cause drama (if I had outed them that would be causing drama)...of course I want good to come of this, I want people to realize that we as swingers have a bad rep as it is and we need to be aware that our behavior is seen by others and can affect everyone around us!
I have chosen a side...it's the side of being an adult and abiding by the guidelines that I agreed to when I signed up...I CAN NOT name the person...she knows who she is and she reads these forums and she will see that her behavior has disgusted many and hopefully she will act accordingly next time...the fact that you see me as bad as her...well that is your own opinion, but I know that I did the right thing here....