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Obama's Roadtrip - - [quote]Fair enough. Then why rely on them for anything that likely wasn't adequately studied?[/quote]
Likely just does not do it for me...When the numbers are given AND shown how they were gathered, I tend to believe they are fairly accurate.
[quote]Let's take your Pepsi/Coke example. There is likely nothing befuddling about your scenario. Just one possibility: Where are the two Florida products bottled? Maybe it's the water.[/quote]
Both bottled locally, it is chalked up to being a preferance thing. In WI, lived there for a while, it was called pop or soda, unless a VERY specific thing was needed, a Mountain Dew for instance. In the south, it is a Coke no matter what it is. If someone in the south offers a Coke, it could be Pepsi, Mountain Dew, Diet Rite, Sam's Club Soda, etc.
[quote]I'm glad you agree with the logic. My Bachelor's is in Social Welfare (Psych Minor). Human nature is only a bitch of a thing when you get out there a few standard deviations. The bulk of us are as predictable as rats.[/quote]
Believe it or not, I have 2 BA's (econ and int. rel.) with a minor in social work. So I am very aware of social science standards and SOME believe that we're predictable. If you have a smaller sample, we are fairly predictable, especially when the sample is taken from a specific group of people (swingers for instance, better yet, swingers in a specific region), once you get to the larger populations (nationwide for instance), human behavior is not easily quantified.
Try being the ONLY conservative in all the social work classes, it was fun!
Then again, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
[quote]I propose that as an economist you are simply looking at things with a limited perspective. [/quote]
Possibly, but I also have a rare ability to look at it from an outsider's view....
[quote]There is simply no question that if a person's basic needs (food and shelter) are met, there is less motivation to risk the consequences of violating societal rules.[/quote]
I can see the logic of this, however, we are Americans, we always want MORE, we are constantly bombarded with images of MORE, we are constantly told that without MORE we are incomplete, etc.
What are the consequences of violating societal rules?
Food, shelter, clothing, TV, etc? Really tough there.
Look at prisons in Mexico, if your family does not provide, you starve, more than likely. THAT is consequences, it is a deterrant (sp?).
IMHO, one of the reasons for our increased crime rates is the lack of public punishment. If every time you turned around, you saw a group of people in black and white stripes mowing lawns, trimming trees, etc. on the side of the road in leg chains, it would cut crime considerably. If they did public executions, it would cut crime dramatically.
Then again, I am a staunch supporter of heavy penalties for crimes, especially when they are repeat offenders, most of the social scientists are not. They want more rehab and such, which I also support, BUT only for first timers, not for repeat offenders.
Anyway, I am thoroughly enjoying our debate...
Effinghman - Swingers - Effingham, IL? We used to live in Carbondale!
What was your favorite LS experience? - So far.... - We are not sure what our favorite experience has been thus far. Here is a brief description of one experience that is interesting. A few years back, we met with two very attractive couples, in a hotel room near the airport. The two women that were part of the other two couples, were both, very, very attractive blondes and also happen to be twin sisters. Well that does not happen every day! The sex was pretty great!!
Small group hook ups, where everyone knows everyone, and there is shared chemistry are always great, and we have been fortunate enough to experience that quite a few times, with more than a few different groups of people. Two on two couples hook ups can be sooooo fulfilling too! So are threesomes! So are the occasional hall pass encounters. People get job transfers and move away, or go through other changes, or schedules just don't agree and life moves on, and circumstance change. Just about the time you think your life is becoming a vanilla routine, it seems that new lovers and new opportunities appear that just really knock your socks, and every other article of clothing off, and you totally reconnect with why you became swingers.
Las Vegas - - We are planning our trip to Vegas and want your opinion - please rank the below and tell why...
What is the best Swingers destination in Vegas:
The Green Door
Other?? ... Our hotel room will be HOT on March 7th and 8th ;-)
Does this happen to any other women? - General Discussion - This is sort of a venting as well as a general question. A bit personal, I know...however judging by other forums, I think it will be acceptable. I just want to know how other swingers perceive it and/or deal with it.
For some strange reason it seems that whenever we make plans to go out to a swinger's club for a special party, or a really good swinger's house party...Aunt Flo shows up uninvited. I have had her show up FIVE days early and/or three or four days late just to ruin a potential good time. I don't know if it's because I'm worried about her coming subconsciously or it's just bad luck but it's quite frustrating :( Please tell me that others out there have this same experience as often as I do and that I'm not alone.
Now I don't know about others in the lifestyle, but I have had many discussions with male friends and boyfriends in my life who won't come near a woman on their dot, they are repulsed by it. This way of thinking passed on to me so I wouldn't even consider trying to initiate anything sexual until Auntie packed her bags and left for the remainder of the month. I find myself very lucky to be with a man who doesn't mind it because it's "natural for a woman" and he has taught me to become quite comfortable with sexy time with him while Auntie is visiting. This is great because I tend to get quite aroused when Auntie is visiting.
We were discussing it the other day and he mentioned that there are bound to be other swingers out there that don't mind playing with a woman on her dot. I wonder how true that is so I figured I would put it out there for everyone else to respond.
Habits closing for good. Let's party one last time! - - It has been years since we frequented the swingers dance club scene. So really our opinion does not much matter. We have been to Habits and it was a good size, had dancing and parking. All in all a good venue. I am unavailable Saturday nights and Mrs. Delicious is not much interested in going alone or hooking up just to go clubbing. If and when that changes we will probably go dancing in a crowd of swingers more often. Frankly, she is not all that interested in the club scene. If she is going to use her hall pass, to hook up on a Saturday night, she is more likely to want to meet in a scenario that is a bit closer to one on one. When we are together, or out individually and we are meeting with people where sex is a possibility, we are all obviously considering, we usually choose to meet somewhere more intimate as well.
Club Vegas used to be a popular hangout for swingers and it closed. Club 90 is still somewhat considered a swingers hangout by a couple of our vanilla friends, that actually go there somewhat frequently. They tell me that every time they go there they see couples that seem to swap partners for dancing, grinding and kissing on the dance floor and that the women do a lot of girl on girl grinding and kissing. They say it is not always the same couples. That doesn't mean these couples go have sex together, or that they self identify as swingers, but it would make you wonder. Piper Down is great and swingers in force will not shock the patrons, but parking nearby is only possible if you get there early or just get lucky. The food is great as are the staff. You can dance but the floor is kind of small. The Royal may be a good fit.
PICTURE SURFERS HANG A 180 LOL - - I think what they mean by "friends and MAYBE more" is that they are looking for friends first and if everyone establishes a friendship and clicks sexually more will follow. I guess everyone is different when it comes to the lifestyle and some take it more slowly than others. Some require a strong friendship before playing, some don't. Some feel that they may establish a friendship but one of the people just doesn't click sexually with one or more of the others and that feeling needs to be respected by all.
When we first started we were in the mindset that we had to find "best friends" with benefits and quickly discovered that we don't necessairly need to be best of friends, we do need to like the other people though and feel that attitude and personality are very important to us. We've been fortunate enough to maintain a friendship with everyone we've played with and some that we haven't because one of the group just couldn't make it to that level but we still maintain contact with each other.
I guess what I hate the most is when you run across someone that thinks that just because you are in the lifestyle and on a swingers site you automatically have to lay down and spread for anyone that asks. Doesn't happen often but seems like we get more than our share of it.
Traveling - Finding other lifestyle couples while traveling - [quote=SNOEFUN]We are traveling to Atlanta for New Years and was hoping to find some lifestyle couples there[/quote]
Lots 'o swingers in Hotlanta. You could prolly find out if there are some local swingsites there and get like a trial membership announcing your travel plans in your profile header. Just a thought.
Swingular poll for members - I would like to poll the members on the follwoing items - Mr. Hunt...
Hate to see you go...Mrs. Hunt is one of the bright spots of my day...Sorry guy...Not into dudes!!!
BUT the reality is that 2 things are going on here:
1.) you get what you pay for. When you got a $20 for life membership, did you expect to get all the bells and whistles? Did you expect encrypted everything? Did you expect that everything you said or did in here was safe? Personally, I did not. but I am one who does not care about somone knowing what I do on the weekends.
2.) Do you think that your friends, family, co-workers do not know what you do on your weekends? Come on...I am sure you display all the characteristics of other swingers. You have friends who come to visit wearing alluring clothing. You go to clubs, yet no one outside of the swinging community sees you in the clubs. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS AS AN ATTACK ON MRS HUNT...but who typically gets breast augmentations, ESPECIALLY when they are the vision of perfection? AGAIN...Do not take that as an attack on Mrs. Hunt...thought she was a goddess without change...but she has her reasons...so I support her decision...
Do I think you are over-reacting? I do indeed. but that is your decision. Hate to see you go, but if you feel you must, then you must.
Soft Swap? What's your definition? - - Here is a QUESTION for everyone....
Isnt going to a SWINGERS club like soft swapping?
I mean for the most part the MEN can NOT approach the other couple (unless they already know them), and many times its the MEN sitting at the tables, while the women mingle and dance together.
In some cases, the women on the dance floor or pole dancing find themselves being penetrated by other females, almost like a group female orgy.
As for the club intention, its a nice place to meet other like minded couples, and to see if there is someone there to explore playtime with.
Yes, I know there are On Premise clubs, but arent those clubs more for full swap couples?
Just a thought...