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Obama's Roadtrip - - [quote]Fair enough. Then why rely on them for anything that likely wasn't adequately studied?[/quote] Likely just does not do it for me...When the numbers are given AND shown how they were gathered, I tend to believe they are fairly accurate. [quote]Let's take your Pepsi/Coke example. There is likely nothing befuddling about your scenario. Just one possibility: Where are the two Florida products bottled? Maybe it's the water.[/quote] Both bottled locally, it is chalked up to being a preferance thing. In WI, lived there for a while, it was called pop or soda, unless a VERY specific thing was needed, a Mountain Dew for instance. In the south, it is a Coke no matter what it is. If someone in the south offers a Coke, it could be Pepsi, Mountain Dew, Diet Rite, Sam's Club Soda, etc. [quote]I'm glad you agree with the logic. My Bachelor's is in Social Welfare (Psych Minor). Human nature is only a bitch of a thing when you get out there a few standard deviations. The bulk of us are as predictable as rats.[/quote] Believe it or not, I have 2 BA's (econ and int. rel.) with a minor in social work. So I am very aware of social science standards and SOME believe that we're predictable. If you have a smaller sample, we are fairly predictable, especially when the sample is taken from a specific group of people (swingers for instance, better yet, swingers in a specific region), once you get to the larger populations (nationwide for instance), human behavior is not easily quantified. Try being the ONLY conservative in all the social work classes, it was fun! Then again, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. [quote]I propose that as an economist you are simply looking at things with a limited perspective. [/quote] Possibly, but I also have a rare ability to look at it from an outsider's view.... [quote]There is simply no question that if a person's basic needs (food and shelter) are met, there is less motivation to risk the consequences of violating societal rules.[/quote] I can see the logic of this, however, we are Americans, we always want MORE, we are constantly bombarded with images of MORE, we are constantly told that without MORE we are incomplete, etc. What are the consequences of violating societal rules? Food, shelter, clothing, TV, etc? Really tough there. Look at prisons in Mexico, if your family does not provide, you starve, more than likely. THAT is consequences, it is a deterrant (sp?). IMHO, one of the reasons for our increased crime rates is the lack of public punishment. If every time you turned around, you saw a group of people in black and white stripes mowing lawns, trimming trees, etc. on the side of the road in leg chains, it would cut crime considerably. If they did public executions, it would cut crime dramatically. Then again, I am a staunch supporter of heavy penalties for crimes, especially when they are repeat offenders, most of the social scientists are not. They want more rehab and such, which I also support, BUT only for first timers, not for repeat offenders. Anyway, I am thoroughly enjoying our debate... Next!

Swingers cars??? - What ya driving?? - I have a 2003 GMC step-side pickup, and the wife drives a 2002 Explorer. Both are in like new condition. I believe in keeping our cars in perfect shape. I'm an old muscle car fanatic. My high school ride was a '66 Chevelle SS w/ a 396. Sure wish I still had that one. Low 12's at about 121 in the 1/4. A couple of recent changes - last Thursday, the GMC truck got totaled in a wreck in front of our house. It was parked on the street at the time. And I just got a 2012 BMW 1 series coupe. It was used, but it was also a Factory Executives car. BMW gives their Exec a free car every year, with any options they want. This one is[u] LOADED[/u]. I'm just like a kid when I drive it. We haven't even tried to get into the back seat yet, much less trying to have any fun. Sure sounds great, tho. If anyone knows a spinner who'd like to experiment, let us know.

Help With Wife - Wife has fantasies but is super hesitant to experiment. - Personally I think you might be a little too eager (can't blame you, we all were when we started) and pushing just a little too hard to make her fantasy a reality. Rather than trying to find a way to get around the "Catch 22" of her fantasy maybe just explore it more verbally and see if it evolves into some kind of scenario that she is comfortable with that more easily can happen in the real world. The most successful swingers we know, ourselves included, arrived at where they are by being open and supportive of each other's fantasies and desires without forcing them in any way. In other words, be patient, explore your fantasies verbally and maybe role play, a LOT, with each other before you jump into anything that either of you isn't quite ready for. You might be surprised as you fantasize openly and honestly how your fantasies might evolve and become something that you eventually can and will make a reality. You know your wife better than anyone and maybe she does need a little nudge but most of the swingers we've known over the years who've crashed and burned did so because one partner pushed the limits too fast and didn't wait for the more hesitant partner to catch up. In our case we were quite surprised and what our fantasies morphed into when we really dug deep and talked about the truly deviant (by local standards anyway-lol) aspects of our fantasies. Sorry, I know that's probably not the kind of advice you were hoping for but it's been our observation over a rather lengthy swinging career. Another thought, if you're bound and determined to make your first swinging experience a MFM, is to find a guy who is okay with just watching you two play or maybe getting involved in some soft swinging...i.e. back rubs and or touching but no intercourse. We were soft swap for the first year or two of our swinging life and it was great fun and took the pressure off until we were ready to take the next step. Best of luck! edit- Sorry about what now seems like a long rambling response. In my defense it was pre-coffee. [em]Emo_79[/em]

Friend collectors or swingers - - People and their life situations change. What works for them today, may not work for them six months from now. If swinging is your number one priority in life, then everything else in your life can revolve around swinging. Most of us are not swingers first, and everything revolves around the lifestyle. Where we are, in life, and what and who will be a good fit, for happy sexy adventures is going to vary. Knowing that, it’s logical to assume, that in the digital swingers world, we are all going to hear from people that are not a good fit. People that we won’t be interested in meeting in person and people that aren’t interested in meeting us. Just because someone does not follow up with some of us, does not mean they are not following up with others they have met online. Ghosting people leaves a level of uncertainty. I happens, and it is unfortunate. We have some people in our friend list who sent us a request, that we accepted, and nothing more than that has happened other than a couple of friendly emails. If for whatever reason, something about the interaction makes us uncomfortable we can, and occasionally we have, unfriend them, or block their profile. If all that stands between us is a level of inconvenience, or right now, our or their, or our mutual decision to not hook up during the pandemic, we don’t see any reason to let that bother us. It does sound like it is more difficult for younger newer couples to hit sexual pay dirt today, than it was when we started. That must be frustrating. Once we made the decision to open up our marriage, sexually, to other people, sex happened rather quickly and was available rather frequently. That does not mean we never needed to say, or sometimes hear not interested. Just checked our sent emails going back a year. We sent out a total of two friend request in the last year. We received a lot of friend request. We rejected some friend request. We accepted some friend request. Some are still in our friends list. I guess we don't fit into the category of people actively looking to collect digital friends, but we are still collecting friends.

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video chat rooms for southeastern couples - ??? - does anyone know of any good chat rooms for swingers on this side of the country?

Single Male Market - Need feedback on a feature idea. - [quote=EVILDOERS][quote=DELICIOUSLYWET]Unicorns, are just that, unicorns. Couples play is fucking fantastic, when there is something approaching equal shared chemistry, involving everyone involved. So for a lot couples, couples hookups, and or friendships with benefits are kind of a priority, at least when they first start to investigate the lifestyle. So a couples agrees to purchase a membership, establish a profile, see what's out there, and, not long after they get started they get approached by some goof ball single males. If perchance they either start a forum discussion about what's happening, or begin to read a forum post, someone already started on single males, there will be some measure of negative expressions about single males. Goof balls will be goof balls. In our experience it's pretty easy to brush off a goof ball. Not all of the single men on this site are goof balls. The question is often posed, if a guy is worthwhile, why is he single? That question is a perfect fit for the goof balls. There are men however, (women too), that may not be interested in marriage, or that are charming enough they can find sex partners, and therefore can be patient and get married once they have found the right person. If a guy is charming, wants to be sexually active, but wants to avoid sex evolving into a what does this all mean, dance around commitment, and he discovers that some swingers, occasionally want to meet with just such a guy, mostly just so he can get all entwined in passions hot embrace, deep inside the hot wife, and some of these wives are very, very hot; well, he might throw his lot in and establish a profile. We have had a lot of fun with these sorts of select single men. Comments attached to a single males profile are already a rating system. If a guy gets glowing reviews from couples that you know are real, then that says something. [/quote] [img]https://media0.giphy.com/media/l3V0FBCWW58XSBOog/giphy.gif[/img][/quote] Everybody gets a friend request, from Roofy Ralph, with that GIF. Did he try and convince you that that only having four fingers on each hand makes him perfect for a fisting experience?

Then there's this. - Enjoy! - [quote=Sm435]OMG. A bunch of ACTIVE swingers had an Orgy. Scientific FACT covid has been around more than a year now. Do you know how many ACTIVE swingers have had it that use this forum? They likely all already had it. Sooner or later society is gonna have to realize there are people on the other side. Either that or we live the rest of our lives at home, behind a mask, worried about “germs”.[/quote] Right? Who gives a fuck about "germs"? I say we all go down to Pioneer Park and have a condom-free orgy (with plenty of anal!) with a bunch of homeless drug addicts! We won't live our lives in fear anymore! [em]Emo_100[/em]

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Do you Expect to get laid at Swinger Parties? - - Most of the time, no. Not everybody at a swingers party expects to have sex. But sometimes it depends on the party you go to. Off-premise parties like those thrown by Secret Desires www.secretdesires.org are a great way to meet others in the Lifestyle without the pressure of having sex. I'd recommend checking this out first, the next party is on the 10th of Feb.