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On Premise Swingers Club - SLC - 'Church' Busted for Prostitution Takes Religious Freedom Too Far
Church Not What the Constitution Meant
By Isa-Lee Wolf
Takeaways
COMMENTARY | Sometimes you just have to give people credit for creativity. Phoenix police have busted a church called the Phoenix Goddess Temple, alleging that it was actually a front for prostitution.
According to CNN, authorities claim churchgoers received sexual services in exchange for "donations." Twenty men and women have been arrested in regard to the church's practices of so-called "neo-tantric" healing; police are still seeking 17 more individuals.
What makes this case so interesting is, if the allegations are true, the great lengths of planning undertaken to skirt the laws against prostitution. People tend to believe the First Amendment serves as a blanket protection of religious groups, shielding them from the general laws of the state when laws and beliefs are in conflict. Unfortunately for this group, that interpretation of freedom of religion does not always hold true.
Glenn Hudson, a club owner in Dallas with the same perspective, also tried to get creative, calling his alleged nightclub/drug den a "spiritual organization," reports CBS News Dallas/Fort Worth. After his bust for running an unlicensed dance club, he claimed it was actually a youth outreach program, getting the young people of Dallas engaged with their spirituality through dance. Meanwhile, four undercover visits by police yielded 15 separate drug buys.
But the Fenix/Darkside wasn't Hudson's only supposed religious group. He also owned a spiritual organization/swinger's club called The Playground, where people could allegedly watch pornography and have sex. The Playground garnered the city's attention for being housed in a building with a "certificate of occupancy for a church, mosque or synagogue." Dallas ordered both clubs permanently closed.
Such creativity in using freedom of religion to shield a group from law enforcement can have tragic results. In a much darker example, polygamous sect leader Warren Jeffs sought the protection of freedom of religion to avoid consequences for his abuses of children . His lawyers argued before his trial and he now claims in his motion for a new trial that his "marriages" to children as young as 12 were protected by the Constitution, according to Reuters. Jeffs was convicted and sentenced to life in prison.
Religion is addressed in the first clause of the Bill of Rights for good reason. The framers of the Constitution knew what harm religious tyranny caused, and how the beliefs of the minority could easily be trampled by the majority.
But trying to hide unsavory acts under the mantle of freedom of religion is an affront to all Americans, the religious and the non-religious. The religion clause is meant to protect that which is most personal, most fundamental: the individuality of a belief system. While arguments like those of the Phoenix Goddess Temple; The Playground; and, particularly, Warren Jeffs, wave the banner of religious freedom, the claims are hollow.
Worst of all, manipulation of the spirit of the religion clause is an abuse of the gift of a freedom once unknown in the world.
is soft swap swinging??? - - MO69,
Great answer! NO ONE defines swinging. Anyone that uses sentences that start with, "Your not a swinger unless.." or "Real swingers do...." or something similar. These people don't know shit. It's just a way to pressure you. It's sophomoric bullshit, used by kids to pressure each other. They're not unlike the morons that measure their worth by their posessions. Spare yourself the trouble.
-Don-
Proud member of "Free Thinkers"
Single Men Meeting Couples - Are Single Men Treated Un Fairly In The Lifestyle - Why would single men be interested in hanging around swingers if they could just go out and date?
There is a good reason: Prosexual people have a different set of values than the usual muggles we meet out in society. Being around them feels good, especially with the openness about sexuality that swingers have.
And having a threesome is wonderful! Watching a woman be pleasured by 2 men is one of nature's best treats -- maybe even the way nature meant it to be!!!
So, it is mistaken to think single men are here only because they want to get laid. On the contrary, it's probably harder to "get laid" on a swinger's site than out in the everyday world. Swingers ARE different as people in some very charming ways, and at least I for one enjoy their company for their own sake.
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Birds of a Feather - Finding couples that share similar interests - Don, I'm with you on this issue except I've always wondered why, at parties and in hotel rooms and hospitality suites at swingers social events why one hears; "OH God" comming from so many people. Do they know something we don't? Is there really a God and we just don't get it? Oh well WTF I just thought that it was funny that we, so often, hear "Oh, God" at these events.....
The above was done strictly tongue in cheek... It may have factual data and or dialog but is strictly for entertainment and the content was intended strictly for humor. The statements herein contained are not meant to represent any event either fictional or factual.
another club under fire - club in peoria - [quote=NAUGHTYGIRL101][quote=CARRIERMANANDGEEKGIRL]Obviously, the Peoria city fathers have never heard of the Constitution. #1. - It's a PRIVATE club, which means it's not open to the general public. #2. - Nothing that happens inside is within view of the general public. #3. - The club's proximity to the police station has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING. #4. - Swinging and/or swapping partners is NOT illegal. It will be really interesting to see what the exact wording of the ordinance is. It will also be laughable. [b]FLASH:[/b] "Consenting adults arrested for having consensual sex behind closed doors." Film at 11:00.[/quote] I always forget how spoiled ya'll in Florida are...Constitution or not they can and will shut this place down...look at Utah...we have NO swingers clubs and as of now Ogden has no strip clubs...talk about conservative...oh wait, I DON'T LIVE IN UTAH ANYMORE...roflmao I keep forgetting that lol[/quote]
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My first time... - - Tell us about your first time. Was it absolutely spectacular? Was it, "Meh". Was it horrible? A comedy of errors? Was it on your wedding night? In the back seat of a tiny compact car? Was it with your spouse? With "the one who got away"? Was it in college or high school? Junior High? GRADE SCHOOL?!!? Did you cum? Did you THINK maybe you came...sorta? Did it turn you into a sex fiend? Did it kind of turn you off from sex? Did you wonder what all the fuss was about? Was it with your fiance? Your boy/girlfriend? Your cousin?!!? Did you get caught? Did you use birth control? Did you try oral sex for the first time as well? Did you get completely naked? Just naked enough to expose the important parts? Would you want to go back and relive or redo it?
Just thought it would be fun to hear about and reminisce about our first times and see if we could find any commonalities that turned us all into perverted swingers.[em]Emo_49[/em]
Here's something Ive been curious about - - Congrats on 10 years in the lifestyle, SLOW. We're old timers as well and have been doing this off and on since shortly after we got married. Over 25 years now! So I guess I can sort of see both points of view and contrary to the current rather negative societal attitude towards political correctness I have no trouble being firmly on the side of being kind to people and not labeling or belittling anyone regarding their participation in the lifestyle. Having said that, however, I can also see the viewpoint of some couples since when we first started swinging there really were no singles (or at least so few that we never met any) actively participating in the lifestyle. A few years later we met a few singles who would, say, hire a hooker to gain access to parties and events or sometimes convince a friend to act as sort of a swinging "beard" if you will, again to gain entry to swinging events. This was all pre-internet so connecting was considerably more difficult than it is now. To say that the internet changed swinging (for better or worse) is a HUGE understatement. I was talking to a guy (formerly single but now in a couple) recently about his experiences as both a SM and a couple in the lifestyle. His attitude had actually changed dramatically. It reminded me of former smokers who now are militantly anti-smoking. His argument (now that he's no longer single) was to take the couples and the singles and put them on separate websites and what do you have? He said you have a swingers site and a hookup site. I told him that there are some couples who actually seek out singles over other couples but he wasn't easily dissuaded. One final point he made that I thought perhaps was a valid point...he said when he first started out as a SM in swinging he thought that all or most of the married guys who enjoyed seeing their wives getting fucked were basically cuckolds or at very least not real men. He said it took him many years and a lot of different experiences to lose that mindset. He also said that now that he's part of a couple who is frequently contacted by single guys he sees that attitude (because he recognizes it from when he had it) far more often than not. He stated that he would guess that the VAST majority of those single guys who don't "get it", the bad apples if you will, the ones who ruin it for the few good guys have that attitude and mindset. He said that's why there will probably always be somewhat of a schism between singles and couples. Whew, that was a long fucking post. Hope it made sense. No more herb before posting, Mr. Evil! LOL
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