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Signals, Identifying 'markers' - Do scarves, jewelry, or other items worn a certain way ID you as part of the lifestyle? - We have never heard of the gold ring but the pendant that is growing in popularity in Utah seems like a nice way to distinguish swingers in crowd. Being both straight, we prefer to be upfront and just say it like it is so there are no surprises. We have brought the pendant up in a few groups we belong to or run here in Florida and hope we can follow Utah and make this the universal way to find each other in a crowd.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! - - Merry Christmas to all on the State-side! (we hail from Ogden, normally) We've met a lot of awesome swingers in Utah and hope to meet even more in the future when we return. XOXO!
Secret Swingers Club Ogden, UT - Clubs - I was more meaning can I show up to Unspoken as a single male? I'm barely on facebook and only have a few friends. I'd still love to get into the group if possible though. Before that if I showed up without the password as a single msle would they let me in?
Probably my last post - True colors are showing now - Well. I shouldn't. But we're all "getting it out of our systems" so I will.
I had been having a great time in the chat room, until Wild decided to badger me and badger me and badger me about the fact that HE was REALLY single - not "married but playing with wife's permission" (as I truly am). He just kept poking at it and wouldn't let it go.
How... ironic... that I am, indeed, what I said I was and the protester turns out to be not what he said he was. Hmmmm.... "Methinks he protested too much".
I even mentioned his heavy-handed "monitoring" to the staff and they refused to do anything but take his side in every item. OK. So I stopped participating in the chat room - for months.
Now. Big Breath. My "problem" is nothing compared to what has happened to others, so I suppose I should just count myself lucky. I *do* feel for you all, but I also will plead with you to consider that "swingers have some bad apples just like the general populace - but have mostly-good people - just like the general populace".
RV Swingers? - - Well, shortly the wife and I will be buying a new RV and traveling full time for a few years. Is there anyone from the lifestyle that are full timers? We are pretty excited to get out and travel some and meet new peeps.
Profiles, desires and diversity - Profiles, desires and diversity - this thought is a bit too removed from another post that was it's inspiration to be part of that post so I decided to start another. Positive personal declarations on our profiles in forums or anywhere about our relationships our physical bodies our hobbies, interest, our friends, etc., etc., are always reflections of inner self talk. Just because someone makes an affirmative statement does it mean that they are the bearer of absolute certainty at all time in all places and in all situations in regards to the person, place, activity, etc., etc., for which they are speaking? Certainly not, but that does not mean they are not still positive. Even though they have some doubts and fears they still may be extremely encouraged that the positive greatly out weights the negative. If you consider the ying yang nature of existence you cannot have faith without doubt or courage without fear. Personally I enjoy associations with people pursuing the positive. Why? I like to be happy. I will never be perfect and my life will always include a share of successes and failures in that not everything I hope to accomplish will go well. Never-the-less in spite of my inability to predict everything or control anything I am happy to be alive afloat in a sea of infinite possibilities. It has been said that life is a journey and not a destination. I am pretty positive about the journey.
Negative statements or negative thoughts about others require some cynicism. Cynicism most certainly can be a personal defense system. Expressions of cynicism about those who mean to use us, con us, rule over us or repress us in some manner or unjustly exclude us are understandable and healthy. Expressions of cynicism especially when anger is included, without a good measure of open minded critical thinking and research are in my mind often quite counterproductive. Cynicism directed toward people in pursuit of wealth and greed or to find a scapegoat for our own mistakes is horribly dark. Racism perpetuated slavery for centuries and far too much violence and injustice in the modern world. Armies roll forth to this day in the name of ethnic cleansing. Armies cannot roll, legislation cannot be passed and supported in support of injustice and repression without the support of soldiers and voters. Our freedom to swing without fear of discrimination requires that non swingers not become to cynical about our life choice. Are we to often a house divided?
As for life here at home and on the web, and on Swingular we can participate in 1000 cynical conversations, blogs, and forums, chats and so on and so forth and get 1000,000 affirmations reaffirming our cynicism and we can still be wrong. Wrong about a scientific theory just means you go back to the drawing board and keep searching and experimenting. Wrong about economic management means economic hardship and we can learn from experience.
Wrong about people leading to attacks small or large, verbal or otherwise is part of the dark wind that takes our journey toward rough seas. Fear without reason represses everyone and everyone to some degree becomes a victim. Could not a single moment of introspection do more for us? If we look inside our own minds and honestly ask ourselves why we are cynics it might just take the dark wind out of our sails. A painful episode of introspection just might help us to see that the real monster in the closet is not the people we are condemning but in reality our own self doubt. What
female AGE turn on-off - - I guess I got to relate to "real " couples swingers , and so , you are a small amount of couples that openly do so , the majority of couples don't swing at all ! or do it in hiding or in a disceet manor ! go ahead make your own rules .....:p
Handling aging and lifestyles - How do you handle getting older? - Something none of us can control at present is growing older. For most of us, getting older means physical and some mental changes. These changes have a tendency to make us less desirable especially to the younger crowds, yet the minds of the maturing swingers still feel the need for participation along with the attraction for others. So, the questions are: How do you handle getting older and finding yourself less attractive to others and less involved. And, what are your age boundaries, if any. The youngest you will participate with and the oldest you will friend and why. We have our own opinions, we will express later, but we would like to see what others think.
Why we ORGY - Why we ORGY - HUGE orgy tonight at the Sheraton downtown. Buttloads of swingers have been bussed in for the event (Don't believe me? Drive down 5th South tonight). Don't miss out. Top secret security clearance required (that's one level BELOW Swingular VIP Verified fyi)
To Bi or not to Bi. - - Society has imposed a morality code on most of us at one time or another be it through religion or laws. Lets admit it we are animals and although we may not act that way often, sex is one of the most basic animal instincts. Acting on those urges if you are a swinger means you can have sex with others and not fall into the societal guilt and jealousy others may feel. When we meet new swingers this seems to be one of the most difficult things to overcome.
We do not judge those who are bi no matter whether they are male or female. We are just not into it. She will kiss and fondle breast but its for show not enjoyment. He does mind if men touch because of proximity but he has no desire to be with another man sexually. We do not judge others who do and we have play friends where both male and female are bi and it does not scare us.
One last comment about labels. If someone is bi it does not mean they are gay or homosexual or lesbian unless they choose to be. Everyone should be able to choose their own label for their sexuality and who fucking cares what someone else says.
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