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Is hard core porn killing sex (and swinging)? - - So are people drinking and doing drugs more now than in the late 80's? Or are there just way more swingers and that automatically means more potential for failure?

When is this site going to get back to SEX - - I would suggest that if you'd like hotter topics, provide the threads. The forum has been kept running by people who present topics, albiet sometimes controversal and mostly about things other than the lifestyle. On other sites to which we belong or did belong the topics were about how to meet women by single men or from people who wanted advice as to how get their spouce, SO, G/F past the talking stages and into the lifestyle...It seems that since there are no questions and everyone is a swinger of experience that subjects from newbies are not here. There are no Newbies here???? MAybe people come into the forum see the posts and figure that they will be looked down upon by all of those hardened and seasoned swingers.... So to facilitate putting this forum onto the swinging scene, people need to toss caution to the wind and take advantage of all of the experience here. A thought just crossed my mind.... could it be that the people here are simply talking the good game. Now that will probably get me flamed from many sides. So please stop complaining that the forum is not about swinging and sex and make it that... I have a PS for this ....so here's my PS PS: If anypme doesn't like what I say, I say FUCK YOU !!! because that is what we should be here for..... getting busy....But I could be wrong....

Cum One Cum All!!! - - WOW, As said by others earlier, this is a great way to thin out drama later on in meeting people. and who would be people we would not get along with later on. The whole issue of illegal immigration is a tough one, Our culture has created a need for cheap labor, and the x/y generation is a bunch of Lazy bastards(speaking from experience from try to hire from the Labor pool of our generation) The gesture of helping another HUMAN in need is a great one, and the people that are knocking that shame on you...shame on you... Our Culture, and society has created the Illegal immigration "problem" Our kids and WE will not pick Cucumbers for 2$ an hour, or clean a hotel room for minimum wage... WTF America, quit listening to Glen Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Orielly, Olbermann and Maddow, and get a real educated point of view on the reality of where we are at in America today. Roque has probably contributed more to the American System than most of the American citizens his age have. We and our kids will not pick vegetables for $2 an hour, nor clean rooms for min wage......or construction for $8 an hour......so the reality of the situation is....We have created a NEED for CHEAP labor...and ILLEGAL immigration is the answer we have been using... But the Roque situation is something different...and something that happens everyday..Really people we are on a SWINGERS WEBSITE.....WTF...get off your self rightous stands, cause if you are on a SWINGERS website, most of the people that would agree with you, as soon as they learned you were swingers (soft or Full) would throw you under the bus so fast your head would spin....So really, a fellow human being is in need, if you do not want to help...DON'T... and if you do...GREAT.... But dont get on your high horse and think that if all your Glen Beck Friends found out that you were members of a Swingers Web Site...Well you know, you would be out on the street.... Really, Stand back....think about it....Someone mentioned that a Fellow human being needs help.....a productive member of society...more so that any of the Jerry springer 2009 season had to contribute...... Really People...Dont think your Bishop approves of this lifestyle....

adult theaters - - [quote=BITESIZE]It seems hard to believe because of how available it is on the internet, but it is illegal to make or distribute actual porn in Utah.[/quote] So could we open a virtual theater with 3 dimensional anime porn? Seriously there used to be a couple of theaters in downtown Salt Lake City. If I remember it correctly the way the law was written it was the projectionist was who got arrested if the porn crossed the established lines of decency written in the law. Misdemeanor charges. The projectionist would occasionally be arrested bailed out and a fine would be paid. They had a few projectionist that had records that were willing to do the job because they were paid wages that were like 5 times what a projectionist normally gets paid. In the end the investigators were able to discover that the owners of the theaters were using the income from the theaters to subsidize totally legitimate businesses they also owned which resulted in racketeering charges which are a felony and directed at the owners. That was the end of pornographic theaters in Salt Lake City. The internet probably would have put them all out of business anyway. It seems that I remember that there was also was a well known and very successful modeling and acting booking agency that also sometimes pimped out really stunningly attractive women and some men too to wealthy business people visiting Salt Lake City. This agency had a big legitimate book of business and just sort of disappeared over night due to racketeering charges involving money for sex being deposited into bank accounts of the agency. So maybe any money earned by anyone, event and party organizers included that can be tied to the lifestyle should be kept separate from any other business they might own just in case the ultra conservative side of our city ever decides to find some leverage to try and shut down swingers events. Anyone that has been an adult for over three decades living here can see that the culture that apposes the near theocracy that existed here for so long is much larger and has more influence and control than was the case not so long ago. Salt Lake is home to some of the most conservative minded and liberal minded people in the west when in comes to the subject of sex.

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Lifestyle Questions by newcomer couple - - I WANTED TO WELCUM U TO THE SWINGERS LIFE STYLE . AND I HOPE U GET TO EXPLORE AND MEET LOTS OF NEW FRIENDS AND U HAVE LOTS OF FUN .I PULLED UP YOUR PROFILE AND IT SAYS FULL SWAP . WHICH IS GOING TO GIVE COUPLES THE WRONG IDEA . AND THERE IS ALOT OF COUPLES LOOKING JUST FOR GIRL ON GIRL ACTION . AND SOME COUPLES ARE FREE TO EXPLORE ALONE SO I WOULDNT JUST RULE OUT ALL COUPLES . I WOULD LOOK ON DIFFERENT SITES AND SEE IF U CAN FIND THAT SINGLE FEMALE EVERYBODY IS LOOKING FOR . OR TRY A ALL GIRLS WEBSITE . BUT THEN THEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO PLAY WITH THE HUBBY .GOING TO PARTIES AND CLUBS IS THE BEST WAY TO FIND MORE PEOPLE . AT THE CLUBS THERE IS ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF PEOPLE LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT THINGS . AND THE MORE PEOPLE U KNOW THE BETTER YOUR CHANCES ARE TO FIND WHAT U ARE LOOKING FOR . CAUSE EVEN IF U CANT FIND THE ONE AT THE CLUB THEN AT LEAST THEY MIGHT KNOW A FRIEND FOR YA .. WE GO TO PLEASURE PALACE ON SAT NIGHTS . THERE IS ALWAYS ALOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT THINGS . EVEN THOUGH THE SINGLE FEMALE IS HARD TO FIND IN THE LIFE STYLE WE DO SEE SOME THERE . OUR CLUB HAS STRICK RULES ABOUT HOW PEOPLE BEHAVE . SO EVEN IF U JUST WANTED TO COME AND HANG OUT AND MEET NEW FRIENDS OR DO YOUR OWN THING . THERE IS ALOT OF PEOPLE LIKE THAT ALSO THERE . NORMALLY THE BIG PARTIES BRING IN ABOUT 600-700 PEOPLE SO IAM SURE U CAN MAKE SOME NEW FRIENDS . WE ARE DOING A PHOTO SHOOT WITH FIFI THIS SAT NIGHT . AND THERE IS GOING TO BE ALOT OF SWINGERS GROUPS . AND WCCC WILL ALSO BE THERE . SO IF U WANT TO COME AND MEET SOMENEW FRIEND SLET US KNOW AND U HAVE NO PICS UP . I THINK IT WOULD HELP OUT ALOT IF U ADDED SOME PICS OF YALL . EVEN IF U CANT SHOW YOUR FACE . THERE IS MANY WAYS TO COVER YOUR FACE . BUT STILL SHOW THE PEOPLE WHAT U LOOK LIKE . PICS HELP OUT ALOT . IF U NEED HELP WITH PICS LET ME KNOW . I TAKE PICS AND WORK ON THEM . BUT ANY KIDA OF PICS IS BETTER THEN NONE . NAUGHTY DREAMS FREAKY KITTY

How much risk is too much? - - [quote=ILLUSTRATOR]You're right. I'm just telling it the way I see it from what I know. I just wanted to voice the other side of this because I know women who feel this way and, although I understand how you feel, I see their side of it, too. And the men on here who think that women truly want to be raped need to understand that they may think it's what they want, but what they really want is the unrealistic fantasy that's played out so often in the Romance Novels that are flying off the shelves. There's a reason for their high sales. But it's merely a Fantasy. These men might come across videos like that of Laci Green's and think that means all women want to be raped. They should know that, in reality, women don't want it played out. That's what the OP should know and consider. [/quote] And a certain percentage of men may have just read that and only saw (or acknowledged), "...all women want to be raped." When we already have a very pervasive bias in our culture towards patriarchy and women being subservient to men, especially sexually, then discussions like this, IMHO, cause more harm than good. It doesn't take much looking on the internet to find sites and discussion boards where violence against women is not only overtly depicted through text and image but also actively discussed and even encouraged. Fantasize all you want but openly discussing how to fulfill rape fantasies in a swingers forum can only cause harm I think.

Messages - why don't people want to message back - 1. All the sites are crawling with fake couple profiles that are pic collectors or guys trying to cheat. 2. People here have the idea of dabbling but are not serious about it. 3. People have their ideal encounter in their head and are only looking for that exact situation. 4. People are simply lazy. They wanna push a button (like the FR one) and let you do all the work. 5. People totally content with swinging are already in an established party or meet group and have people come to them now. They are tons of fun, experienced swingers that know how to balance normal life and swinging life. So we always tell newbs there is a huge learning curve to this lifestyle. No, it’s not the sex part, we all already do that, it’s the ability to sort through the mess and find connections. Living where you do makes it even harder. Try some other sites to see if they fit better. AFF usually has a good listing in your area. Try posting up something when you have free time and see what comes your way. Don’t jump at every friend request. Our experience over 4 years is the blind ones with no message lead no where. We use the sites for first contact, then k!k (you can live pic verify there) and chat to see if it’s a match. Remember it’s a frustrating road ahead. Even after getting to full chat and meeting time, we really only meet 5% of the people we talk to, and we are super flexible and drive many miles to meet and play. Just keep at it. We are to the point now we can spot most flakes, cheaters and collectors quickly and we block and move on. When you do finally meet just be open. Network, be friends, that can lead to parties or new friends. Start looking to just meet cool fucking people and learn from there.

We are going to Vegas and want to do something sexy - Please share your ideas on what we can do - Has anyone visited any of the clubs and what has been your experiences. The wife and I are headed to Vegas July 15th - July 22nd We are specifically looking at Green Door, Red Rooster and Swingers Circle. Not sure which we are going to yet.

Android swingers apps? - - Can anyone else recommend some good swingers apps or just pure sex hook up apps they have had good results with? Who knows if enough of us use one app swingular can partner or arrange to work with an app. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=emilio.swingers This is one i found it has some people but not many... And is touchy on the phones it works with... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.desasic.whosfuckin this one has a few users listed locally but have not had time to test lol