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What is is with local couples? - Anyone else seem to have the problem with couples local to where you live NOT wanting to meet? - I think people who do not reply are simlarly afraid about pictures. THey are afraid that locals will recognize them. We are in a very small town where we have been asked upon returning from a social at 3 or 4 in the morning what was wrong.... Then it goes thru the 2 closest neighbors to the south living east and west of each other. Then it jumps west several houses and then North across the street and back east again. Within one day. 7 families now know that we got in at 4am and there is speculation as to why. The neighbor across the street, as I picked up my mail one afternoon, at the bottom of my driveway, starts telling me about a couple, that I do not know from the other side of town, about them fighting and how they poor mouth and then they were eating steak...... Do I care ... why should I, but in this town everyone knows everyone elses business.... But regardless of the size of the town people are afraid that someone will find out....<shishhhhhh> <don't let anyone here> that they are swingers and God will curse them.... You know what they say about small towns and Baptist.... They see everything, hear everything that happens and tell everyone about everything ...EXCEPT that they recognize no one in the liquor store.. or local whore house.

Stainless Steel Kitchens? - Stainless Steel Kitchens? - We are thinking that we want the cabinets themselves to be stainless but the counter top to be some other material because it is more likely that scratches or stains will occur on the counter tops than on the cabinets or the appliances with exception of the stove. Stove tops (like swingers posting in the forums) can take a lot of abuse if you cook a lot. Some wear and maybe even some scaring is bound to happen. We are looking more for low maintenance functionality and dependability than high maintenance glamour that you are afraid to touch or that has a quick break down once you actually start to cook. We just love a kitchen that just screams use me harder, harder, yes please. As I said earlier we are more like an adventure base camp than the Ritz Carlton. The designer we know and trust and so far are planning on using has a team he works with it seems but we can pass anyone's name along to him and yes we will be discrete. So far he has never had a request for a steel kitchen so we are looking mostly for someone that has access to the steel cabinetry and some experience in installing steel kitchens. We are still open to other options so long as the durability might be comparable.

A Place In The Lifestyle - - Which club, and where? Sadly this sounds a lot like Caliente, which isn't a swingers club but does host swinger parties pretty much every Saturday night. It also sounds like Miami Velvet, which is mostly mainstream people who just want to say they are swingers and pretend. And no, I don't think most of them have any place at actual lifestyle clubs. While some do say up front they are not swingers a much larger portion will claim to be swingers so they can be seen as more of the "in crowd".

Friends? - Friends in and out of the bedroom? - For us time is an obstacle to socializing. We have numerous adult offspring, and yes we have a few grandchildren, and we have vanilla friends, and we have jobs and do some volunteering and try and fit in some hobbies. We both seem to make friends easily enough, so that we end up doing a certain amount of socializing with people we see at work or in our vanilla world. Throw in the unexpected and there isn't much time left. We have a hard time making everything fit into our schedules as they are now. Honestly, we might disappoint someone, looking for someone they can hang out with every week, if they are looking to have us all to themselves. It seems, that busy people, do well hanging out with people who are also often on the run, and busy associating with other people. That might mean you see these sorts of people, while they are busy seeing other people. For us we are pretty good friends with our family, and many of their friends, and our family members, are pretty good friends with quite a few of our friends, and we end up hanging out. It's often pretty impromptu. It's not that uncommon for twenty people to be at our house having a meal or just hanging out. Our house, is one of those houses people just walk into. If in any social circle, the majority of the people hanging out are not swingers, and swinging would make them uncomfortable, then swinging probably won't happen. So swinging for us is a bit compartmentalized. But yes, we would not mind making a few more good friends, who fit in with our crowd, that also happened to be swingers, and not in everybody's face about it. People we could see more frequently, that fit in with our friends and family, who we could swing with in private. People we could see more of in and out of our clothing. Proximity, discretion and spontaneity are all a big plus.

Orchard Place - Event info - Ryan and Kara are top-notch hosts and the venue is by far the best in Utah for swingers. It's the closest thing we have in Utah to a swingers club -- but it's better because it's clean, comfortable, low-pressure, the music is not loud (so you can actually chat and get to know other couples), and it feels a lot like a low-key meet & greet with a little bit of a charged sexual atmosphere. The crowd trends towards the younger side (mid-40's and below) but there are a few older folks there. WAY better than habits.... but we hate loud music and dancing... so... ;)

Interesting Last or Maiden Names - Names to remember people by - I knew a mechanic by the name of Dick Peters his wifes name was Sharon. They would have been great swingers...well her anyway. LOL

Game ON....which sign is Hornier...(is that a word?) - zodiac signs of swingers? - We are both Gemini

How do you spot a Swinger..?! - tell tell signs of the lifestyle - Just look for the couples with Swingers tattoed on their forheads like the thing that Teelc(sp) from Stargate SG1... Otherwise I think that the walk up and ask if they know where such and such is.... A local club. If they know then strike up a conversation and ask what they think about the club... How many times have they been there, etc.... Or have you ever been to Las Vegas and have you head of the Red Rooster or been there? WHat do you think about that?..No biggy and if you zero on the local club... good chance that they are vanilla. Good hunting Ray

Advice anyone? - Questions - male half here maybe i can put this in a nut shell, if your at a meet and greet, just party with these people just as if you were partying with a vinilla couple, your there with no expectations, your not hitting on anyone just enjoying that you are out with fun people, you never know they might just invite you to continue the party after the meet and greet, and if they don't, oh well. go to the next one, it will happen, just don't go with expectations, just because we swing, or like single males, that is going to happen, we have many single male freinds that we have not played with, but we are all aware that we are swingers, its just about going and having a good time.

FF acceptable and MM not acceptable? - Why is female on female sex acceptable and male on male is not? - There's more issues with this question then I care to get into on chat. If you wanna talk with no fluff like is added on these chats many times then feel free to messaged me. But 2 things most everyone likes to watch girls kiss. A significantly smaller portions like to watch guys kiss like I'm guessing 15% . There in is your first. Second is many guys say there bi or curious just to get with the woman. This to me is really a non question the answers are obvious. Good luck in your search. When it comes to guys I'm pretty picky. Again supply demand. I could post and add online hosting for bi guy and have 10, 20 sumtn year old hot guys message me within couple hours,. Same add for women good luck. Scientific data I've read shows women think sex 10 times daily, men 19. Anyways I think you probably know the answer and are frustrated. Just figure out what is or isn't working and keep it up. Lastly this is definitely not an add for me looking for guys. I have no problem in that area if your curious feel free to message to talk but not looking for boyfriend currently. And I wouldn't look on swingers site for one. Sexy couple's HMU anytime I can't wait to dance more this weekend love it