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Here's something Ive been curious about - - I don't think they are swingers, they are just single people that like to play with swingers, and for sure there is something in the lifestyle that they like besides the sex.

Spanish Fork to American Fork - Utah - [quote=JoeThe1Mac]I am Looking for a Cuckold Couple or submissive married lady to use as my personal Slut. From Spanish Fork to American Fork. Remember discretion is always assured. [/quote] Unfortunately, there is VERY common belief among single males that all or most swingers are into the cuck lifestyle. I mean, how could any self-respecting man let his significant other fuck other men if he wasn't a cuck? We've actually heard single guys say that. And we can't count the number of times over the years that we've been approached online or even in person at parties and meet-ups by SM's who have this misconception. There are plenty of cuckold-specific websites online for people who are into that dynamic.

Girls that are into DP - How common is this activity among the swingers? - [quote=NAUGHTYGIRL101][quote=HARD_STONE][quote=EDANY0178]DVP? [/quote] I'll take either opening that I'm allowed in. [img]http://www.swingular.com/photos/h/HARD_STONE%7B19832287654f28ccd1ec598%7D.jpg[/img] [/quote] Uummm...i think this is one topic that "just average" would be an advantage...at least for us less experienced girls lol... [/quote]That scared me to sexy LOL

First time flop rule - it happens - [quote=BLUEEYESINUTAH]Sometimes women have 'issues' too. At least I do. It doesn't matter how much mentally I'm into it, I can't get wet to save my life. I feel so stupid when that happens. I realize that age (gasp!), hormones, nervousness, alcohol, etc have a lot to do with it but it still sucks purple twinkies. I feel a bit defective. Granted, that's why lube was invented so I guess at least I have a lifeline. But still, you don't want your partner to think you aren't into it.....:([/quote] Don't feel bad, LJ always carries lube due to her allergy medication. Serious hassle even for sex at home dammit! [quote=SPYDER_MYKE]i have thought about this. we are newbies and havent even met up with a couple yet (there arent many swingers in our area apparently) we get the 'what if' thoughts. 'what if we dont click?' or 'what if we do click, everyone gets along great and we chicken out?' i mean were not shy, maybe were just nervous cuz were 'virgins'?[/quote] First, move to FL, we have plenty of swingers here. Second, as long as people know you are knew then they should understand that you may back out at the last second, it happens. As for not clicking, hell getting 2 people to click is hard, 4 is extremely difficult. But oh so much fun when it does happen.

FF acceptable and MM not acceptable? - Why is female on female sex acceptable and male on male is not? - There's more issues with this question then I care to get into on chat. If you wanna talk with no fluff like is added on these chats many times then feel free to messaged me. But 2 things most everyone likes to watch girls kiss. A significantly smaller portions like to watch guys kiss like I'm guessing 15% . There in is your first. Second is many guys say there bi or curious just to get with the woman. This to me is really a non question the answers are obvious. Good luck in your search. When it comes to guys I'm pretty picky. Again supply demand. I could post and add online hosting for bi guy and have 10, 20 sumtn year old hot guys message me within couple hours,. Same add for women good luck. Scientific data I've read shows women think sex 10 times daily, men 19. Anyways I think you probably know the answer and are frustrated. Just figure out what is or isn't working and keep it up. Lastly this is definitely not an add for me looking for guys. I have no problem in that area if your curious feel free to message to talk but not looking for boyfriend currently. And I wouldn't look on swingers site for one. Sexy couple's HMU anytime I can't wait to dance more this weekend love it

Obama's Roadtrip - - [quote]Fair enough. Then why rely on them for anything that likely wasn't adequately studied?[/quote] Likely just does not do it for me...When the numbers are given AND shown how they were gathered, I tend to believe they are fairly accurate. [quote]Let's take your Pepsi/Coke example. There is likely nothing befuddling about your scenario. Just one possibility: Where are the two Florida products bottled? Maybe it's the water.[/quote] Both bottled locally, it is chalked up to being a preferance thing. In WI, lived there for a while, it was called pop or soda, unless a VERY specific thing was needed, a Mountain Dew for instance. In the south, it is a Coke no matter what it is. If someone in the south offers a Coke, it could be Pepsi, Mountain Dew, Diet Rite, Sam's Club Soda, etc. [quote]I'm glad you agree with the logic. My Bachelor's is in Social Welfare (Psych Minor). Human nature is only a bitch of a thing when you get out there a few standard deviations. The bulk of us are as predictable as rats.[/quote] Believe it or not, I have 2 BA's (econ and int. rel.) with a minor in social work. So I am very aware of social science standards and SOME believe that we're predictable. If you have a smaller sample, we are fairly predictable, especially when the sample is taken from a specific group of people (swingers for instance, better yet, swingers in a specific region), once you get to the larger populations (nationwide for instance), human behavior is not easily quantified. Try being the ONLY conservative in all the social work classes, it was fun! Then again, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. [quote]I propose that as an economist you are simply looking at things with a limited perspective. [/quote] Possibly, but I also have a rare ability to look at it from an outsider's view.... [quote]There is simply no question that if a person's basic needs (food and shelter) are met, there is less motivation to risk the consequences of violating societal rules.[/quote] I can see the logic of this, however, we are Americans, we always want MORE, we are constantly bombarded with images of MORE, we are constantly told that without MORE we are incomplete, etc. What are the consequences of violating societal rules? Food, shelter, clothing, TV, etc? Really tough there. Look at prisons in Mexico, if your family does not provide, you starve, more than likely. THAT is consequences, it is a deterrant (sp?). IMHO, one of the reasons for our increased crime rates is the lack of public punishment. If every time you turned around, you saw a group of people in black and white stripes mowing lawns, trimming trees, etc. on the side of the road in leg chains, it would cut crime considerably. If they did public executions, it would cut crime dramatically. Then again, I am a staunch supporter of heavy penalties for crimes, especially when they are repeat offenders, most of the social scientists are not. They want more rehab and such, which I also support, BUT only for first timers, not for repeat offenders. Anyway, I am thoroughly enjoying our debate... Next!

Let's play, rate a profile. - - Wow! I just want to call out some REALLY AWESOME things in this thread. 1) Ucouple - you did a FANTASTIC job of calling out all the things I was thinking about rude3050's profile and you weren't rude or condescending. You were sincere and helpful and that is AWESOME! I hope we can cultivate more of this kind of a culture in this community. Thanks for being the example! :) 2) rude3050 - you took the constructive criticism and advice you were given and acted on it right away, very effectively and without getting defensive. Good on you man! Your profile just improved by leaps and bounds today. I don't have any idea what the lifestyle scene is like in Kansas but the changes definitely improve your odds. Kansas swingers take note of this guy! 3) All the other thoughtful, encouraging and kind words in this thread...kudos all around! We all tend to get hung up on the bad behavior - sometimes it seems like there is an awful lot of it. I think the majority of the real people on this site value kindness, honesty, inclusion, etc. I'm going to make an effort to focus on and call out the positive more often - starting now. Thanks everyone for the uplift! :)

Just curious are we the only ones? - Just curious are we the only ones? - [quote=BMSHELL] Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that there are 3,000 couples in Utah who are actively interested in swinging. (Again, I have SERIOUS doubts that the number is that high, based on data I've collected from Swingular... but let's roll with it)... There are 886,000 couples in Utah, which means there's a 0.33% chance (1 in 300) that the couple you're looking at are swingers. However, if the number of ACTIVE swinging couples in Utah is closer to 1,000 (far more likely), the odds go down to 0.11% (1 in 1,000). This is probably a more realistic picture of your odds when you try to pick up a random couple in the wild. [/quote] A caveat of this analysis is that it assumes a uniform distribution of swingers over the population of Utah. My guess is that this isn't the case but instead the density of swingers aligns with the density of more liberal thinkers. The net result is that it would put more swingers in the more densely populated areas with the highest density in SLC. That could easily swing the odds from 1 in 1,000 to 1 in 100. At least for those of us in SLC. For the poor suckers not SLC it could go the other way. :) That said, yes, I feel lucky enough to gamble basically nothing on 1 in 1,000 odds. ;)

LDS Survey Results - - Wish we could put a poll on the census so we could find out exactly what percentage of utahns are swingers. I'm thinking 25% of couples swing.

Polyamory - Any thoughts on an exclusive 3 or more partner relationship? - This is like kissing to me.... Don't love anyone you have sex with except your SO... Well I am in a poly relationship with a married woman. Her husband is not poly and my wife is not poly. The 4 of us are good friends and both my wife and her husband know that the relationship is not platonic, far from it. They do not swing but we met at a swingers social. They were looking into the lifestyle but did not decide to go that way... We started talking on the internet.. they live a little less than 30 miles away. She and I had discovered that we loved each other from the several meetings and talking and I stopped by one afternoon, sat down and told her husband how I felt and she told him also. Understand we both understand that it is a secondary relationship and neither of us wants to leave our respective mates... We have discussed what ifs like; What if something happens to one of our mates? What if one of our mates starts to have problems with our relationship? We try to discreetly meet when we are each free and our mates are not around... This to alleviate any stress to our primary relationships... We do get together and eat and watch TV, play games, dance...Everything is open above board and consensual. Many people who are coming into the lifestyle, over the age of 40 and empty nesters have things in their profiles like; "looking for one or two couples for fun both in and out of the bedroom. Would like to find a couple or two to play with on a regular basis..." The implication is that they want a relationship that is closed...i.e., safe, secure and on a regular basis... To me that looks suspiciously like poly relationships. B and I need to find a place in MT but it's much much too unpopulated there, too cold and could get lonely....besides B likes her job/s.. Wears so many hats it isn't funny. All in all we do get to get out and go to parties/socials almost every weekend, if we want. Something to be said for populated areas even if super people live so far away...