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"Swinger Robots"?? - WtF?, Now, on top of everything else, we have to worry about Robot Swingers? - Priceless[em]Emo_9[/em]

Are swingers moral? - Who determines what morals are? - I think there are a number of definitions of "moral". I've always tried to live a good clean, law-abiding life - one guided by the Golden Rule. I've never stolen from anyone, I've never killed anyone, and I've never knowingly done anything to hurt anyone. As it applies to the Swinging Lifestyle, let me put it this way: I may "fuck" your wife - but I'd never "fuck" you. So tell me, does that make me moral or immoral?

This lifestyle - What are we really? - MORDON: Huh?? Wow...no easy task to consolidate concepts as broad and inclusive as swinging and/or polyamory into neat little boxes. I'm still trying to follow how you grouped the two into polar opposites. I'm not sure that the way you're defining either of those would be true for the majority of those in the swinging communities, and especially not Sirensextress or myself. If I have the ability to to love more than one person...then yes, I suppose I am polyamorous, but NOT in the same way that a couple who is truly polyamorous might view it (I do love not just one but all my children/siblings and whatnot). You've painted a rather bleak and harsh picture of us non-polyamorists, by boldly stating that swingers are, "friends with benefits....True swinging is having sex just for the sake of having sex. No talking ...no getting to know each other...not caring one iota about the other person. Basically have sex and if the other person dies on the way home ...who give gives a shit!" That statement is well, to put it bluntly, naive and uninformed. We've never engaged in sex without talking, or getting to know one another. How else would we know if there's any chemistry? We care greatly for most of the people we've encountered through swinging, and would most CERTAINLY care if they died on the way home! In short...we "give a shit"! I think in it's broadest sense, the term "swinging" is large enough to cater to the appetites of a wide spectrum of people, from those that are inclined to polyamory, to those that prefer to fuck 'em and leave 'em, to those that are the swinging wannabe's, to those that are exclusive. We are by no means polyamorous, but yes, we've run into couples that are in the truest sense of the word, poly. In fact, we've met couples that have wanted us to participate in the poly lifestyle. However, they are looking for something quite different that what we are looking for. Neither my wife nor myself are looking to be "married" to another couple, or to become a "secondary" husband/wife to them. Yet, being the "non-polyamorists" that we are, and according to your definition, we should be unable able to maintain very close friendships with any other swingers. Actually...our experiences have been quite the opposite. Most of our closest friends have come out of The Lifestyle. Do we love them? Yep. Have/are we sexually intimate with them? Yep. Are we romanticaly involved, exclusive and IN love with them? No. Do we love them like family? Yep. Are we polyamorous? No. Does this just boil down semantics? Yes..probably. However I felt compelled to speak on behalf of those of us that actually do care about the people that we meet through the lifestyle. Cuz we DO give a shit and we're NOT the cold-hearted people we've been made out to be! :)

An out of this world (or state) encounter - swinging parties - We like to travel, and we try out the on premise clubs wherever we go. In Sept we went to what is supposed to be the top rate swingers club in the world, just outside Amsterdam (called Fun4Two). It's by invitation only, but if you are ever traveling in that area, you won't want to miss it (so email us and we'll let you know who to contact to get in). We like the local parties, but it seems to us that many of them have too much talking and drinking and too little nudity and fucking. Paula is always the first one to get naked - at a club or a house party (Sounds like we'd get along well with THEXECS, huh?) We love to watch and be watched. L&P

Where do you hang out? - Running into each other - We don't hang out there but we've heard that more than a few swingers like to frequent The Cliff Dining Pub in Draper. Not sure where it is or even if there ARE any cliffs in Draper but it sounds like a nice place for a drink. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We have heard about it many times........... - Couples that are swingers - It's unfortunate that you've had this happen to you, and apparently twice with the same couple, no less? While unfortunate, it's also par for the course. Perhaps one of the most cliche and over-used phrases we see appear on profiles is "drama free", and we always take that with a grain of salt. The truth is there is no such thing as 100% drama or issue-free couples. Even if they insist on their drama-free status, we also realize that we are all human, and these things are bound to happen from time to time. The key is not to find the ideal couple but to find the couple that deals with life (swinging) ideally. Find couples that are efficient and adept at dealing with issues between themselves, and are not so selfish to let things get as far as the bedroom before unresolved issues they have in regards to swinging arise during play. We've had a few situations like that...and they've always been deal-breakers for us. We simply don't have fun if we have to work that hard at making something happen. However, as a consequence, we've become very successful at filtering and weeding out those couples from the get-go. It's really not that challenging, because there is so much that you can read from people simply by observing them, their body language, how they interact with each other, how they compose themselves while you talk about a potential play dates with you, etc. Even if they're not inclined to be verbally honest up front with you two in a direct fashion, it's typically obvious in their behavior what their true expectations are. Asking direct questions about expectations has been mentioned and is always an excellent idea. We've found little things along the way that we take for granted as being non-issues for us are actually huge issues for other couples. Preferences for foreplay, whether or not kissing is allowed, and if so...kissing with tongue. What about oral, is that acceptable? You see, for us they are acceptable, but we must establish that they are with other couples. We've also found that more drama tends to be centered around the males in couples (sorry fellas). I'm not stereotyping here, but this has been our experience. We've had more than our fair share of guys that are ok with everything from girl on girl play, to my girl on him play, to both girls on him play, but once his gal plays one on one with another male besides him....oh Lord, the drama starts! Swinging has been one of the funnest decisions we've made, cuz we've made it that way, and we elect to avoid the drama at all costs, and that keeps things light and fresh. We know for every couple or bad experience we come across, there are 10 more good ones just around the corner. :) ~J~

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - Posted By: TEQUILAROSE Reply posted on: Jan 8, 2008 - 7:01 am TPAFUNLUVNCPL2, There are tons of people out there that are seeking single males. But of all the couples seeking out there, what is the odds of running into such a couple? IOW, if you look at the whole game, is there a better chance of finding a couple that is seeking a couple, seeking a single female or seeking a single male? Most of the couples we know say they are looking for couples or single females while a few might be ok with single males once in a while. Maybe it is a WI thing.

Curiouscpl91 - Identifying lifestylers - We've found that the best way to ID other swingers is to walk up and grab them by the crotch. It's a known fact that people who swap spouses have a crotch temperature almost 10 degrees higher than the average person. Your chances of correctly identifying a lifestyler by a black ring on the right hand is about the same as it is identifying a "hotwife" because she's wearing an ankle bracelet. Both are mostly urban legends. Trust me, people have been trying almost since day one to figure out a way to find other swingers out and about in the real world. Some have used the yin and yang symbol, some have used an apple with a bite taken out of it. The cold hard truth is that most swingers really don't want vanillas to know they're swingers and thus, wouldn't wear something that would easily "out" them in public as swingers. Don't you think, in this day of instantaneous communication and social media that if there was any kind of universally recognized symbol for swingers that it wouldn't soon become knowledge in the vanilla world? If you really want others to know you're a swinger just wear a t-shirt that spells it out. (Not trying to harsh your buzz MATTANDLIZ.) [img]http://i3.cpcache.com/product/437336974/swingers_tshirt.jpg?width=350&height=350&Filters=%5B%7B%22name%22%3A%22crop%22%2C%22value%22%3A%7B%22x%22%3A58.3%2C%22y%22%3A0%2C%22w%22%3A233.3%2C%22h%22%3A280.0%7D%2C%22sequence%22%3A1%7D%2C%7B%22name%22%3A%22background%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22F2F2F2%22%2C%22sequence%22%3A2%7D%5D[/img]

sluts? what? - how so? - [quote=DELICIOUSLYWET][quote=SHADOWINGWHISPERS][quote=DELICIOUSLYWET]There is a book called "The Ethical Slut: A Guide to Infinite Sexual Possibilities" written by Dossie Easton and Janet Hardy that defines Slut in a positive light. They might be using slut in that context. The book has been very popular with swingers for quite a few years. [/quote] I would hope they are using it in that sense.. but words that compile around the slut term make it strongly seem like it's a negative term.. sadly..[/quote] If they are using it in a derogatory sense it may be because they are experiencing a certain level of self loathing because they are struggling to accept their own sexual nature or they may have peers and family that would do their best to destroy them were they to live so free as you are. I think that the anger that leads to name calling and judgment sometimes is a secondary emotion that people choose to embrace because the primary emotion is much more painful. They may want what you have but lack the confidence or courage to go find it for themselves and so the same people that call someone a slut in the derogatory sense far too often are the same people that go off and struggle with their own sexuality in dark places through lying, cheating, abuse and even darker acts while swimming in a sea of self loathing. We should all jump up and down and be happy that you are free or striving to become free of such shackles![/quote] That makes sense.. I hope everyone can undo the shackles!! Great understanding..

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