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Do you long for your "vanilla" friends? - Have you been with any? - [quote=DANISHDAME]> I'm attracted to the notion of connecting with a solid LDS couple. Something about those women🔥👍 Haha that's the opposite for me! If I hear someone's LDS I turn right around[/quote] Agree. The problem with Mormon women (and men!) is that if they're strict, by-the-book Mormons, they were virgins (we were!) when they got married and know little to nothing about sex and how to pleasure the human body (including their own!). It took us a LONG time to figure out sex and THEN, once we started swinging, to realize that there is a big wide world of sexual experiences and techniques and that no single act, 'move', or technique is universally preferred or desired by everyone. Having said that, probably the vast majority of swingers we've encountered in Utah are or were Mormons and you have to decide, especially if they're new and/or you're trying to convert them, if you're kind of willing to be mentors (for lack of a better term) and/or just be very very patient and sort of go back to the basics or at least to whatever level that they're at. It's really quite sad since we've known SO many Mormons who strictly followed their law of chastity only to find, after they were married, that they weren't at all sexually compatible. And I personally think that is one of the leading causes of divorce (along with different types of abuse) among Mormons. P.S. I hope this didn't come across as condescending. Like I said, we were Mormons and went thru pretty much everything I mentioned above. But we were some of the lucky ones who were both pretty much on the same page sexually. P.S.S. If you DO happen to find a great current or former Mormon couple who is keen on having sex with other couples, you're likely to unleash a LOT of repressed sexual energy that you will likely enjoy very much! [em]Emo_4[/em]

Swingers now officially a high risk group for STDs and STIs - Do your own research - We have done our own research and we have come to the conclusion that...... Swingers are now officially considered a High Risk group for STDS and STIs just like gay men and intravenous drug users. Google it, call the governmental entities that research the statistics. Ask your doctor and decide for yourself. Do your own research. I was initially going to site a number of research studies but I think it has more impact if you do your own research. Get tested and go through a quarantine period and then get tested again. We did and we now know we test clean of everything including the cold sore virus. We were lucky hell we are lucky and we have decided luck is not enough. We have re-defined in very certain terms what we will and what we won't do and who we will and who we won't consider full swap sex with. Decide for yourself but do the research and get tested.

Booty calls with thislilmiss - Too many no shows to be real - Not sure what is happening here with this lady but as for human sexual behavior..... It has been been accepted that animals including humans typically do not behave for the good of the species as a number one priority but rather to leave as many copies of their genes into the next generation as possible. This affects the optimization of social evolution. Sex is more important to humans than the social good but being socially good and getting sex can go together. Reciprocal cooperation and sex can be symbiotic. So sex is more important to us than being polite and proper, except that we humans have a drive for the sexual behavior, while at the same time, sometimes choosing to keep our genes to ourselves. So even though the evolution of social optimization in our species has developed into some very advantageous cooperative behaviors deep down inside sex is really important and subconsciously is a greater drive than the overall good of the community. So people are more likely to behave in what might be considered an anti social manner or cheating for the reward of sex. Reciprocal cooperation for sex within a swing community is pretty common. Yeah swing team Utah!! Someone socially communicating with swingers with a dis-interested mate or unaware mate might be really good at online socialization up until the point that they would have to explain to their mate where they were going that night or where they have been. They almost cannot help themselves. So all of a sudden they just don't show up. So we get fairly often husbands but sometimes also wives that want to have the whole sexual enchilada but really cannot because they have a mate more into raising existing offspring than looking to mate with others. They are so driven that if they cannot fuck with you in the flesh then they will fuck with you online. They want a physical sexual connection but that is risky and not easily accomplished so they have an online sexual connection if possible.

Now a single male looking for a rebound play - - That or rabid Ferrets. [quote=PALS4FUN]Yeah, swinging can cause huge pressure on a marriage and totally screw it up. I'm sure that's why most swingers, myself included, would never recommend swinging as a way to "spice-up" a marriage that is having some difficulty. You definitely have to be on the same page as your partner in order to give swinging a go -- and then be pretty damn quick on your feet and adaptable as things get going -- perhaps in a direction that you didn't expect. I don't get though, why the OP is back here if he's not interested in swinging for the long term or looking for a woman who is interested in it? Seems this OP is more suited for a singles-type site. And Evil, yes I'd like to see your listing 'cause I'm guessing that at least one of the items involves a douche-canoe going over a large peefall before crashing into a turd log. Or other such silliness, much funnier than what I've just described! ;) Yes ... I know your personality here![/quote]

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - As a couple we have played with single gentlemen many many times over the years. The only time that I can consider upleasent feelings or hate ever came up with any single is when I was told by him to please leave the room while he made it with my wife. We show that we do not play alone ( I do not mind watching her have fun at all ), and will often just watch. As couples the single gents must realize it may not be hate but protectiveness of our loved ones. It does only take one bad apple to ruin it for many. If the couple does not want to have contact with a single, they should just block them is all. Or just make it clear that both parties will always be present. No way do I mean to offend any single guy out there or single lady, both have the right to pursue their desires and pleasures.

BUSTED! Your Kids Found Out Your Swingers. Now What? - - are you all kiding , go "on line " you will find everything and more of what i am claiming to be TRUE , you will find helpfull info. there , i gain nothing if you trust me or not its your children and as i said some children had good luck some did not....{it might be that some children that have been exposed to porn and nudity can cope with swinging parents better}

NEW RIDING CLUB - LOOKING FOR MEMBERS - [quote=COWBOYMISSKITTY]We are starting a new riding club in north west ohio to be know as SRC ( swingers riding club) . Any one in the area that would like to join please let us know if you are interested.[/quote] Distance be damned - sign me up for a membership.

5 Guys - Who knew?.? - Lol why are all the sexy swingers in Utah? Teehee

Finding a balance - Swinging and Religion - - [quote=ABCMAN]http://www.libchrist.com/swing/happysafestudies.html someone asked about Christian swinging groups...we'll here ya go. I think the animosity in Utah about religion comes from one direct source in most cases (LDS Church).. but of course some of the Christian (fundamentalist...bible beating) crazies can drive one crazy as well. The reality is that I have not seen a man made religion yet that isn't focused on control of it's flock. My question is how much did Christ push the idea of a church and how much of it was his disciples and Paul later on in the bible. Cliffnotes, I actually think you make a good point...context is so important in reading ancient documents, and the bible would classify as one. To use 21st century definitions or perceptions is useless in understanding 60 AD Jerusalem. I do think that you make a good point regarding David and Solomon, but of course the counter to that is that the Lord gave them their wives and concubines (,,,,Joseph Smith and the Mormons think this way...) Personally I don't see why a GOD would only give a King many wives and not the common bloke out in the wheat field, and frankly I wouldn't put much stock in some Old Testament tale or atleast the justification for them having many wives. I'm sure God really didn't give them anymore then anyone else. As for swinging, my personal feeling is that if your intent is not to harm, be in physical, be it emotional, then go for it. But that can cover a wide range of possible situations. I think there are ethical issues that always need to be addressed if your going to last long in the lifestyle. #1 Don't break rules you and your significant other set up between one another, and always communicate. #2 If it isn't a gift to one another, then maybe you need to reevaluate why your doing it. #3 If your looking at it as an escape, then you maybe doing harm to your partner or another persons marriage. #4 If your single and looking for a long term mate, then don't covet some other persons spouse, no matter what they may say or do. If he/she is falling for you, then do the ethically thing and break it off. It just causes harm to everyone involved in those situations, and don't think for a minute that you won't suffer long term ramifications from that type of situation. I'd let the couple work it out or they leave on another before I'd get involved again with that person. #5 Safe Sex, not only for you but your partner and others as well. (Golden Rule) if these sound patronizing then I apologize, but personally this is the approach I've taken, and my wife as well. So far it's worked out well. [/quote] Good post! By Groups I am talking about the groups that will soon be available on this site. In another site there was a group called Christian Swingers, it was very interesting and educational. I seem to remember a LDS swingers group also. But that is a good website you posted.

A Place In The Lifestyle - - Well, It sounds more like a Utah club. We do not have swinger clubs here. Unless the club wishes to work at keeping people that are not in the lifestyle out, you may have to find another way to determine the swinging couples. Maybe the swinger wrist bands are a good idea at that club to identify others in the lifestyle. It would take some work on your part talking with those you may already know are in the lifestyle. You may not wish to wear them other places but it would solve a lot of problems for you in the club. Now the other question of who belongs is very difficult to answer. A lot of swingers do not swing very often or with very many others. So I see little difference between meeting one lifestyle or the other. As long as you are comfortable with your lifestyle, and asking another person if they are in the lifestyle, I do not see how you can lose. In Utah the chances are always slim that anyone will say yes straight away if they do not already know you. I would say that since it is a swinger club you have a greater chance than we do here at finding people in the lifestyle and you might even find some converts.