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Swingers cars??? - What ya driving?? - And to my Bugatti buddies. Type 57s. If your going to dream, dream big.

Singles who are married and cheating - - better get a cup of coffee cuz this is gonna be a long read: there are a few things you have to take into consideration when you decide to be in the swinging lifestyle. i think the biggest thing is finding out if your spouse is into it. most people, i think, go into a relationship knowing what their spouses boundries are. and then there are couples who evolve in their relationship and the more trust they have in their relationship, i would think it would be like a "coming out" of sorts. like..."hey, um...honey...the johnsons next door are having a party this weekend...and we were invited" "Really?" "Yeah, and i hear its one of THOSE kinda parties" "well, honey..we better wear our crotchless underwear" i dunno..something like that..like, at some point you decide that swinging is for you, right? or you go into a relationship knowing that swinging is an option. buuuuuuuuuuuutttttt... if you go into a relationship knowing that swinging is definetly not what your spouse is into or in the evolution of your relationship you decide swinging is right for you, and your spouse isnt into it, and under no circumstance is it ok....then, in my humble opinion, you arent in the lifestyle. now, if you come to some sort of open relationship agreement if your spouse isnt into it but agrees to let you get some strange, fine. if you take it upon yourself to sign up for a swinging website behind your spouses back, hook up with couples behind your spouses back, then YOU ARE CHEATING! if you are cheating, then you are just asking for trouble: 1. you are being dishonest 2. you are bringing your drama into someone elses life whether they know it or not. what happens if the wife finds out and shows up at your house party with a shotgun? 3. what happens if you get an s.t.d.? you bring that home with you to your spouse, and if you have them, your children. even if you use condoms you can still get s.t.d.'s, its happened. 4. when your spouse does find out, and they will...you are humiliating them in front of their friends, family, job...cuz somehow they all find out. that leads me to believe you have no regard for someone elses feelings so why would i want to swing with you? 5. you are giving other single people, male or female, a bad name and reputation. 6. you are giving swingers in general a bad name and reputation. jenn and i are honest with each other. we are not in a place where we are gonna swing separate, we communicate and talk things out so we have a full understand of where eachother is at, at any given moment. if jenn or i didnt want to swing anymore, or if we wanted a break from it, we talk about it. we arent perfect by any means, but we do our best to consider eachothers feelings in this lifestyle. we dont invite drama into our lives so i would have to say...no, we dont swing with someone who is cheating on their spouse. we would both suggest that if you feel the need to cheat that you should either talk it out with your spouse and seek external help or if you dont think that will help, you should consider ending the relationship. this is all just our opinion. we know its easier written or said than done. but if you arent happy with your spouse, why would you drag them down with this? communicate..compromise...talk it out..but dont be a cheater, cuz its not cool. brandon

Age - New to the swingers community - is age a factor in how a couple is viewed? - We tried different ages. The young ones just don't have a clue, too immature and scared. A lot of the older ones have erection difficulties. People do tend to pick those near their own age. The biggest factor is how picky the women are, including my own wife. As a couple we have been turned down a lot because my hair is grey and thinning causing me to look older. My wife doesn't like large over weight guys or guys with short cocks, or those who shave their heads. I don't think its age that is a factor so much as overall looks. If the attraction isn't there it doesn't matter what your age is. We like the 40 to 55 range.

Can I say hello? - What to do in public - Really for us it depends on the people that recognize us and whether or not they have some common sense and are sensitive enough to be careful when necessary. If they are the type of people that can say hello in a public place and be friendly without flaunting their swingers insignia and secret handshake and singing the swingers theme song and such then we have no problem being approached in public. The local churches all have the ultra vocal keepers of the faith that have to define everyone and everything under the Johnny one note shallow interpretation of their religion because it is too terrifying and painful to be a whole complex person and therefore they live for the pats on the back that come from the endless recitations of their creed. There are people that become far too single minded in all sorts of pursuits including swinging that can become just as annoying and dangerous. Where we are when you see us makes a difference too in what we consider appropriate. If we are in the grocery store or out to dinner with friends or family then saying hello is fine but we ask that anyone that approaches us please leave the swingers content completely out of what you say to us. Do not hit on us. Our friends and family know the two of us are busy and social and we both have friends as individuals and as a couple that we have met in a variety of ways so people say hello to us, which they do not know all the time anyway. Some people that we know are clients and so if we do not offer an explanation about how we know you, our family and friends assume it is probably from work. If we are at a bar and obviously looking playful and sexual in are demeanor and dress and you want to approach us fine, but even then be a bit discreet in your initial approach. If we are talking with someone or obviously with someone then be a bit discreet because we party with vanillas too. If they are people that we trust we probably won't care if they get a hint of what you and we might share in common. Many of our friends and even our family members know we are not always 100% monogamous and they also know we are multifaceted and involved in many things so non monogamy for us is only part of who we are and what we do and not a defining consuming aspect of our lives. We tend to shy away from saying hello to people in public places that recognize as being in the lifestyle unless we already know them because we do not want to make anyone uncomfortable.

If only you could tell in public who is and isnt in the LS - - We're in favor of forcibly branding all swingers in a place that's readily visible to everyone. Of course, we promise to keep it a secret and nobody will EVER find out the secret symbol that we all decide will depict the fact that we're disgusting perverts who fuck each other's spouses. Shhhhh! [em]Emo_72[/em]

Girls that are into DP - How common is this activity among the swingers? - [quote=JACKANDJILL69]I love dp and dvp, would love to find a couple where the F half is into the same. It would make for a real fun evening. [/quote]~hand waving like hailing a taxi~

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - Yeah, a lot of insecurity showing here and generalized statements. I like reading people's opinions and their own take on these discussions. But if you do it, please don't paint everyone with your brush. Really, we're adults and can speak for ourselves. :D There are those of us who really like to watch our partners pleasured. There are women who like more than one man at a time. And of course, there are women who want to play with another man, alone. Or, perhaps the single male can teach them something or offers something another man can't. The reasons some seek single males is the same as people seeking single females. They want something different. A new twist or perhaps fulfill a fantasy. Don't let a few bad cases of Overt Manliness taint the many single guys and women on here who are respectful, not crazy and won't throw bullshit at you. They are there and they're fun! And that's what we're all here for, right? -K_T

Ugly people and swinging - - Hey NOW!!! I resemble that UGLY remark! Donky what am I? Really big? No. Really really big? No, no. Green? No I'm an Ogar! You know grab your pitch folks, and run! Maybe those who are looking for *Ken and Barbie* need to be more careful and ask for pictures before meeting other people! Ugly people have feelings too, and they can be hurt and often are by words. There are a few select swingers clubs I dont like to attend because they think they are the *Beautiful People*, or they are very cliquish... To me, a BAD or STUCKUP attitude is a bigger turn off than those who might not completely meet my standards in the looks department. The second biggest turn off for me can be the first words out of someones mouth. Iron

Just looking for other couples happy with super soft and no swap - There must be more of us out there? - It wasn't about being shut out ( i wasn't even feeling em) , it was how they did it. would never be right to lead on people( I would always hope to get the truth) but to slam a door in someones face, maybe a swingers club wouldn't be suited for that couple. Ill never forget em that's for sure. They just seem to remind me a lot of how this couple might react if you stood naked in front of them without having a checklist first. I'm done on this topic. Soft swap is vanilla than I am superman flavor......most mainstreamest....might find me a bit offensive. Blame it on that good Mormon upbringing lol

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - tpafun.... we tend to disagree with the first paragraph of your post... (we dont do pissing matches often) so as a result we usually just offer our opinion and dont rebuttle anyone elses.. but as far as ... if u are a single male and looking for a couple u bring NOTHING TO THE TABLE... i think thatd be better if it was formed as an opinion..., we do single males on occasion...(fuck here goes our mail box filling up)... sara likes DP... with both vaj, or 1 vaj 1 anal, or having one slam hound her doggie while she does oral... and it gets kinda old with either me or her trying to operate the phallus while we are still trying to focus on what we are doing.. so a live person boes have his uses... not that we just use them... but we do... i read them the riot act priorand explain that if at any point i feel they are disrespectfull or rude or selfish they will leave..THEY ARE HERE FOR SARA'S PLEASURE.. and in return they will get the fucking of a life time... there are a few that their performance warranted them beconing invited over to hot tub and OTHER THINGS every couple weeks or so....but there are those that were perfect gentlemen whom dont get invited back.. for the main reason sara wants more than 5 min of fun... so stamina counts... just like one of our main questions b4 ever meeting.... "what makes u diferent from every other single male out there?" most say they can do oral for hours.. well no shit so can i... but i can give sara oral... she isnt looking for oral....plus she needs to see the tool... sorry guys but she says their are some cocks out there that she wouldnt put in her mouth....... well we would like to write more but we need to get showered n ready for work... dennis and sara