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Advice anyone? - Questions - [quote=TATERTOT1982]no baby, most of that was in Utah lol (couple of swingers on here , too). I'm always respectful ( I love women the mostest) and try and have fun. But I am thinking about deleting my account, not really gaining anything or meeting anyone decent. And people don't seem to read my profile. Whats the point, I always work when people come to Vegas anyways. Or I get what should we do or go in Vegas. I'm a tour guide now, but I work for free I guess. I'm in a bad mood sweets, lol, sorry. [/quote]
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Male traveling to Phoenix possible relocation where to play? - I'm traveling to Phoenix with the possibility of moving there when to play? - Guys and Dolls 4025 n. 39th ave, west side of town, just south of Indian School Rd, turn off ISrd south 300 feet left side, closed in parking area, play on property.
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Partners with hall Passes - - Bummer you haven't found single guys worthwhile. (This is the Mrs. by the way.) I guess we have just been lucky in that department. So many people bash single guys and I just don't understand why. We play separate more and more often. We have a harder time finding single women or women with hall passes. Maybe because I am the picky one :) I mean if I am going to share my incredibly sexy and amazing man she better be worth my night alone watching the kids! So ladies, please let me know if you're game to play. All you need to do is read our profile to see what "worth it" would mean to us. I also find it amusing how so many swingers claim to be open minded then are incredibly judgmental of people who choose to play separate. What is up with that? It isn't always easy finding couples where all sides are attracted and ready to get naked.
On Premise Swingers Club - SLC - I've been to a few really fun swingers clubs in other states and there needs to be one here!!
Randy of (Randy and Haylee)
Adulter or Swinger? - - Loving to dance at clubs and bars, Cyn and I frequently go out on weekends and are often met by a variety of friends. Over the years, we have accumulated a number of single females that enjoy dancing with us. One of these lovely gals enjoyed meeting attractive single men and would often end up spending the night with them. Not too long ago, somehow it was brought to her attention that Cyn and I were..... "swingers". She was furious with us and expressed her dissapproval in very clear terms. After she was through venting her feelings about how disguisting it was that we could possibley be involved in committing adultry, I took a moment to present to her a few select questions. First, she saw no wrong in spending an evening with another man in sex and carnal expressions of emotion? She responded that they were consenting adults and both single.. therefore committing no wrong to anyone. I asked if she felt it was wrong not to be monogamous with just one of these men rather than continually finding new friends to experience. Again, she responded she felt no wrong with what she was doing. Why then I asked, did she find fault with what Cyn and I were doing, as consenting adults and with full knowledge of what each was doing? She responded with the comment that "swinging" was just wrong and that as husband and wife we needed to be faithful to each other. So, I asked why it wasnt wrong for her to swing but it was for us. She retorted she WAS NOT a swinger. To that, I shared the following with her... according to every dictionary I can find, a swinger is defined as a person who engages in promiscuous sex, an adulter is a married person who has voluntary sex with another person to whom they are not lawfully married to. The realization of the fact that she was practicing swinging came as a shock. It took a few days to fully sink in, but when it finally did, she accepted us with open arms for what we are, (I guess adulters), and our friendship resumed.
One very important item here to consider, too often the request to bring another single individual into our bedroom is presented with the excuse that the partner doesnt like sex anymore. The solution to their problem is to cheat... or in their mind... go swinging. In our book, these people are not swingers by definition, but cheaters. Its wrong and unfair to try to use the cloak of swinging to justify being unfaithful. Lifestyles and swinging is not a remedy to solve trouble at home. Often when we decline the request to involve people in our sexual activities for the reason their spouse is not aware or doesnt approve, we hear the rebuttle.."why not? you are swingers arent you?". What ever name we give it, people need to remember... this lifestyle is all based on a few key components. Trust, respect, and the terms YES and NO. Period. Cant we keep the labels, the slander, and the lies out of what we can find to be a productive, social, and even in many cases educational activity between honest, consenting, respectable adults?
Black Ring, Right Hand - How to tell if someone's a swinger - OMG! Just had a client walk in and notice my black tungsten wedding ring (I've had one for a couple of years now.) He told me that it I were to wear it on my right hand it would indicate I was gay. I told him I had heard that it indicated other things (didn't elaborate) and he assured me, and I guess he would know since he and his partner have been together over 20 years and finally were allowed to get married last winter, that it meant gay at...least among his friends and acquaintances. Maybe we swingers are too little too late to the party. Besides, Ms. Evil said she'd never wear anything that dark and colorless. Oh, and fwiw, when we first started swinging (back about the time Madame Curie was JUST starting to glow in the dark a little) the big thing was a necklace, or ring, or t-shirt, or even a tattoo of an apple with a bite out of it. Saw a few people wearing them at conventions/takeovers but never once have we ever seen anyone wear them in a vanilla public venue.
Concerned For A Friend In Utah - Help? - Fresh Home Baked bread and swingers finding something to do on a sunday morning, sounds like a good idea. Hope somebody can help.
Chinese Swingers in Trouble - - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/world/asia/21china.html?hp
Las Vegas - - We have only once gone to Vegas and spent a whole week and it was not in conjunction with any lifestyle take over or anything like that. We didn't go to any sex clubs. We did set up a temporary profile in a Vegas tourist hook-up site for swingers that we think is gone and met a couple that way we passed on. We recommend not staying in your room tethered to your lap top or smart phone trying to hook up. We did have some great sex with fun people while we were there. People, normally vanilla, are not all that vanilla while traveling and travelers in Vegas maybe a bit more so. The lobbies, coffee shops, pools and bars in the better classier hotels are fun if you are the sorts that can strike up a conversation, be playful and see where the conversation goes. Have fun!
Here's something Ive been curious about - - In a nut shell, perhaps, we should conclude that, Cheaters and the truly happily monogamous are the only ones that are not swingers to some degree if you define swinger as someone that prefers a sexual existence that is not 100% monogamous and lives that way honestly. Then we can suggest that swinging has a place for most people. Preference is not the end all in what actually happens. Natural selection means that some will be more successful at mating regardless of their preference. Some singles and some couples have no problem getting laid. They will be able to successfully have sex on their own terms. Singles and couples with a predisposition for pair bonding or tournament mating will find their way into the swing scene and either be couples or singles not out of preference but out of the circumstances surrounding their lives. Sex is so important and so strong an instinctual drive people will take it as they can get it and have sex in circumstances that do not exactly match their instinctual preference if their instinctual preference is not readily available.
In nature pretty much all mammals, birds and many other species fall into two mating categories pair bonding or tournament species. Interestingly enough, many scientist who study humans from the point of view of our biology and our social interactions currently feel we fall somewhere in between with a lean toward pair bonding for many. Women may tend to be pair bonders in higher numbers than men. Humans, generally, be they pair bonders or tournament mating sorts are not 100% monogamous by nature. A significant percentage of humans given the possibility of some level of non-monogamy will still choose monogamy but most would enjoy the some non-monogamous activity even if it will never actually happen due to social conditioning.
Pair bonding species are usually not 100% monogamous but do for lack of a better term desire and if they are successful have a significant other which shares the burdens and I would say the joys of raising a family together. The desire and the instinctive drive to have a partner is stronger than the desire to avoid the burdens and work associated with maintaining a
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