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Adulter or Swinger? - - I'll probably catch a lot of flack for what I'm about to say but here goes. SWINGING is or was started by servicemen in the late 50 and early 60's . Two MARRIED couples would SWAP wives for the night. Generally, the odd couples would repair to different rooms and play. The only thing sharred about it was that they had swapped... Then it progressed to parties and shoe parties or key parties and couples would go with the person whos shoe or keys they would get from the pile. Over the years single women were welcomed into the swinger ranks since swinging/swapping had evolved to simply recreational sex.... They were welcomed because women were looking for bi sexual experiences and men like the idea of 2 on one and watching women together. Enter the single men.... When I was younger we called young single men and women getting together dating... Now we have singles "dating" swingers????
Enter the married guy who isnot happy with what he has at home and thinks swinging is a legal/moral way to get strange.... Bottom line one needs to be married or in a committed relationship to cheat. Cheating is where one of the couple goes out and plays with someone other than their partner....
So for a married woman, not in a "relationship" to have sex with anyone, another single, randomly is not cheating but in a very broad sense, is in fact swinging. I would also say that one could also say that that person is dating.... regardless of the sexual connotations.
One thing to note here is that swinging has evolved to something more than recreational sex. It now has the connotation of friends or friendship involved. In fact, there are actually people who wish to have closed sexual relations with one or more couples. Exclusive in nature where each couple involved only has sex with their partner and with ONLY people who have agreed that they willl do the same...
So cheating is the only cut and dried issue... Non consensual sex with other than ones own partner of a committed relationship. The rest is either dating or swinging/swapping...
I'm sure we all knew this but it needs to be reiterated from time to time...
swingin - thought this site was a swingers site - I was addressing the original poster, and ONLY the original poster.
I was doing what the forum was intended to do, and that was answering the question of the original poster. Waaaa has a genuine, valid question, and I addressed it directly.
TR- you seem to think that this is about you. Sorry to inform you, it isn't. But somehow I'm not surprised that you want to make it so.
I guess the forum system here is just broken.
Have you ever.... - - Seriously, if you go to a bar or anywhere as a couple and you are obviously together and people get friendly they are just that, being friendly. If they get flirty and playful then it may be more than that and it may just be them being flirty and playful. Picking up anyone that is obviously quite inebriated is just stupid and selfish be they swinger or vanilla. But if they seem to want to move a step further than flirty and playful and they are sober enough to be rational then really just how vanilla are they? Swingers did not invent non committal, recreational sex and swingers did not invent the bars and clubs pick up scene. Self described swingers are not the only ones open to or even out looking for a sexual connection. So picking up on a sexy single while together in a bar may just be one more person added to what they hoped to find when they left the house. People pick up and have sex with people all the time and sometimes it is wonderful and sometimes they have regrets. A sexy single may say wow that was wonderful and they may say wow that was strange and decide to stick with the singles scene. It is sort of the same risk as the singles pick up scene just a bit kinkier. Picking up another couple may be a bit more complicated. If the couple has never discussed just such a possibility together then we agree with Evil you might be complicating a relationship. One side might be saying yes, yes while the other spouse says yes and is really not sure about it. There might be jealousy issues and other surprises arise once the clothes come off. Really that can happen when meeting with other swingers too! If they are in a bar they are more likely to have discussed such things together than some other hangouts. For example when we are at Maggie Moos, and Mrs. Delicious pulls her boob out of her shirt and wipes the ice cream off the sample spoon onto her nipple and ask the couple next to her in line if they would like to taste the Chocolate Amaretto we have discovered that the hubby usually says yes or seems he wants to say yes while the wife often get upset. Imagine that!
Another Swingers Show on TV - - It is ch. 261 on DirecTV. there are two episodes airing on Saturday the 21st, one and 7pm, the other following at 8pm.
hall passes - who all does it - Thanks Eros, as you agreed with me, our game has to improve. But just because we think we're enlightened and progressive because we're swingers, some of societies stereotypes still apply. Men are still men, and women are still women. In other words, pursuit is usually up to the male. Chauvinist as that may sound, it probably is more about genetics then anything else. How many species in the animal kingdom do you see, where the female aggressively looks for a male. It's almost always the reverse.
So men, work your ass off in the gym, pay the 30 bucks for that that PDF manual on how to improve your game. (kidding of course about the last suggestion). What you may find is that it improves your own relationship with the wife or girlfriend.
One thing I noticed, when I improve myself, it only enhances my own marriage and my other relationship. That's always a plus plus in my book!!!
gangbang this saturday los angeles playmate - 4 to 6 guys to bang a playmat - Bee tee dub, Ana. I'm just teasing you...mostly...sorta. You have to know how utterly implausible your profile and/or request seems in the real world to real swingers. Especially now that Backpage.com is no longer and Craigslist took off their personal ads.
What is up with Utah?! - Swingers in Utah and nowhere else? - oh my blondone.... i know where i'd love to be located;)
Trying to find a fun "lifestyle-nude" resort for a vacation... - any suggestions... which are better.. hedo11, hedo111, desire, etc.. (others) thanks - UTCPL... thank you for the advice of the lifestyle travel site. We went into it, and it looks interesting. So far, it does not look like there are any groups going to HEDO11 during the months of May or June of '08, but I guess we will have to wait and hope.
It what we have been reading, it appears that HEDO11 is more designed for swingers and has a larger area for nude things, sexual things, etc... Hope we are not wrong, but that is how it looks.
We have never been to a place like this, and since this is our first we have decided we want to find a wild and go for it place... might as well jump in head first...
Do you think we are correct with Hedo11 and other things we are saying..
all responses are appreciated and we look forward to more
thanks
M & D
Ways to point out Swingers in public - - [quote=EVILDOERS][quote=BOOBERRIESJ]How about black silicone ring on the pinkie finger - both male and female- match them and you have a swinger couple !! New code for all of us ??? Or 2 stacked rings on the pinkie meaning shared ?[/quote]
Again, how long do you think it would take...weeks, days, HOURS, before this spread via social media? If there was a surefire way to ID other swingers without outing yourself or them, believe me, some swinger would have figured it out by now. LOL
Besides, why is it such a big deal being able to find other swingers out in the vanilla world? For all the uncertainty and the very REAL possibility of misidentifying some vanilla as a swinger isn't it just easier to, say, go to a website where you KNOW everyone there is a swinger and, like, perv a bunch of profiles and shoot off a few emails and friend requests? [em]Emo_28[/em]
Now, if you like to "hunt" vanillas and try to seduce/corrupt/convert them then that's an altogether different thing. LOL[/quote]
We like how you think!!!
Swingers cars??? - What ya driving?? - Kia Optima, Dodge pickup and Softail Night train
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