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On Premise Swingers Club - SLC - 'Church' Busted for Prostitution Takes Religious Freedom Too Far
Church Not What the Constitution Meant
By Isa-Lee Wolf
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COMMENTARY | Sometimes you just have to give people credit for creativity. Phoenix police have busted a church called the Phoenix Goddess Temple, alleging that it was actually a front for prostitution.
According to CNN, authorities claim churchgoers received sexual services in exchange for "donations." Twenty men and women have been arrested in regard to the church's practices of so-called "neo-tantric" healing; police are still seeking 17 more individuals.
What makes this case so interesting is, if the allegations are true, the great lengths of planning undertaken to skirt the laws against prostitution. People tend to believe the First Amendment serves as a blanket protection of religious groups, shielding them from the general laws of the state when laws and beliefs are in conflict. Unfortunately for this group, that interpretation of freedom of religion does not always hold true.
Glenn Hudson, a club owner in Dallas with the same perspective, also tried to get creative, calling his alleged nightclub/drug den a "spiritual organization," reports CBS News Dallas/Fort Worth. After his bust for running an unlicensed dance club, he claimed it was actually a youth outreach program, getting the young people of Dallas engaged with their spirituality through dance. Meanwhile, four undercover visits by police yielded 15 separate drug buys.
But the Fenix/Darkside wasn't Hudson's only supposed religious group. He also owned a spiritual organization/swinger's club called The Playground, where people could allegedly watch pornography and have sex. The Playground garnered the city's attention for being housed in a building with a "certificate of occupancy for a church, mosque or synagogue." Dallas ordered both clubs permanently closed.
Such creativity in using freedom of religion to shield a group from law enforcement can have tragic results. In a much darker example, polygamous sect leader Warren Jeffs sought the protection of freedom of religion to avoid consequences for his abuses of children . His lawyers argued before his trial and he now claims in his motion for a new trial that his "marriages" to children as young as 12 were protected by the Constitution, according to Reuters. Jeffs was convicted and sentenced to life in prison.
Religion is addressed in the first clause of the Bill of Rights for good reason. The framers of the Constitution knew what harm religious tyranny caused, and how the beliefs of the minority could easily be trampled by the majority.
But trying to hide unsavory acts under the mantle of freedom of religion is an affront to all Americans, the religious and the non-religious. The religion clause is meant to protect that which is most personal, most fundamental: the individuality of a belief system. While arguments like those of the Phoenix Goddess Temple; The Playground; and, particularly, Warren Jeffs, wave the banner of religious freedom, the claims are hollow.
Worst of all, manipulation of the spirit of the religion clause is an abuse of the gift of a freedom once unknown in the world.
Phone Call Gone Bad - Real Bad! - I'm feeling pretty bad for the brother, he's going to get an ass kicking from his own brother and then the brother's wife is going to move in with him? :S
Proof positive swingers have a lot less drama in our lives. (sun)
Kik group for UT swingers. - Contact me if your interested in joining a KIK group for Swingers - Would love to be a part of a fun group like yours! jaybry6 kik
Straight women FEW and far - - Just shows you where a simple question goes to bashing I love it swingers are suppose to be mor open minded and more layed back then vanillas but a simple thread like this shows you how down hill swinging has went !!!!! Some people take moron to a whole new level !!!!! Heres a saying if you don't have anything nice to say then keep your mouth shut ....... Just sayin
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Alternative ways of connecting. - - We have five kids, all now adults, and most are now married and have kids. Kids and frankly grandkids make hooking up somewhat difficult. Before the spontaneous grandkid visits began, we used to host, have swinging dinner parties, etc. Our swingers playroom has been converted to a grandkids playroom. We are fine with that. Family first. If you’re hooking up with couples that also have kids, and or enjoy family lives that don’t require the crew knock before entering, most of us tend to go the hotel, motel, Holiday Inn route. The bar at the Monaco hotel is classy and the suites are too. It’s a nice place to meet and talk. If you decide to move forward they usually have rooms available.
Tired of Politics and Religion! - - Strange - was this forum not here when those that object to it joined? Having been on this site for a long time (first as MelbCpl and now as Swingtide) as far as I can remember it has always had one area that was open to discussion of things like religion and politics. Sometimes we read them and sometimes we ignore them - choice is good. At least to us Swingular is not just a "sex site" but a swinging lifestyle site and for some of us that is more than how many notches you put on your bed during the last party. If anyone wants the other topics to show up more in opening page than make more input into the other areas of the forum. Start new topics in other areas and work to keep them going.
Everyone has their own view of what swinging is all about and that is good - I'd hate to think we had to pass some checklist of qualifications to consider ourselves swingers. The site has room for all types of discussion so enjoy the areas you like and avoid the ones you don't like - not too far off from how most of us deal with what couple we want to be with! Personal choice and allowing other the same freedom of choice seems to fit the idea of the lifestyle :-)
Tooele swingers party - - So after discussing it for a bit with my wife weve decided wed like to try and host a swingers party here in tooele. Now ideally wed like to primarily focus on playing with other tooele couples. This invite also extends to those outside this area so long as they can make the drive. So for those interested or want details and what have you. Feel to join the tooelecouplesfun in the kik pubic groups or speak to us directly dm devilfox187 and we can talk. As a warning couples are preferred and will come first followed by single females and then single males. Im sure we will have a few of each but as this will be at our home we will cut it off at a point. Apologies on that and hope to hear from some fun swingers in and surrounding tooele, lets have fun ;-)
BUSTED! Your Kids Found Out Your Swingers. Now What? - - As a couple and now a single guy on here after reading spearmints GREAT ADVICE I think he should run for President and solve the worlds problems. After all everything he says makes perfect since. I am just not sure which part. He sounds like he is a jack of all trades master of one and that is masterbating. They say all great thoughts come to you while you are in the bathroom and he must spend alot of time there. Either as a janitor or in the stalls playing with himself.
I have known people in the lifestyle for years and their kids knew all about it. Some where fine about it others kids werent. But when the other couple cameover for the day they were there as friends not someone they have had sex with. We (as in my ex and I) have had friends comeover that we have met while swinging and we have gone to their place with our kids. No we didnt have sex with them with our kids there but we all had alot of fun. Just because you are a swinger does not mean that you can not be friends with them at other times also.
If we want any great advice from you spearmint we will just read the bathroom walls mainly the add that says "FOR A GREAT TIME CALL ***-****"
So please no more great advice
Rules - - This is not merely an issue on Swingular, but is a mind-set that we have encountered on every site we have belonged to, in every geographical area, and at many parties.
Seemingly the single ladies get the accolades, while their counterparts, the dreaded single males, get the proverbial foot in the ass.
Is it fair? We don't think so.
However, it is what it is, and not likely to change soon.
I'm sure that everyone has an opinion as to why this occurs (opinion/assholes being synonymous; everyone has one). Here are a few of our thoughts....
Perhaps one could say that this disparity is due to the fact that most couples are searching for females...either single or part of a couple?
This is only PARTIALLY true as there are many swingers that are not looking for singles of either gender. Many couples are, in fact, only looking only for other couples to share friendship and intimacy.
Perhaps the old adage "Men are a dime a dozen", comes into play?
Well...one has to admit that yes...us guys really are rather numerous. Regardless of being within the Lifestyle or out....you can always find a guy, willing to hump your wife. Go to any vanilla event to find that out.
Many might say that all single guys are pushy ass-wads, that lack the intelligence, class, or sophistication to show respect and patience towards a couple that's willing to share intimacy with them.
Again, not totally true. We have met many polite, kind and respectful single men. We have also had numerous run-ins with females...both single and married, that have been just as crass, obnoxious and presumptuous as the most obnoxious single guy anyone could imagine. We like to call them the Bi-Nazi's: you know...the "it's-all-about-the-women" types.
This brings me to yet another mentionable. There is also an unspoken "assumption", that just because any individual of the female persuasion is involved in swinging...she's automatically "bi-curious", "bi-sexual", or "just doesn't know that she wants to be yet".
The obvious outcome of this mind-set is that unwanted advances, groping and attention comes towards the females/couples that are not looking for this type of interaction. Ironically, the same advances made by a male, married or single...would be dealt with severely in most cases. However...with the ladies...many consider it "appropriate", if not expected.
Do you see the double-standard? Somewhat hypocritical I would say.
Many get so caught up in stereotyping, and outcomes having to look a certain way, they are quick to assign social roles to various members of our Lifestyle. In the process, they forget objectiveness, compassion, and open-mindedness. Isn't that what we, as swingers pride ourselves on, "open-mindedness", and being "out of the box"?
Ok..since sweeping swinger social changes (wow, say that fast three times...haha), are not likely to happen...Siren and I elect to manage what we know we can, and that's ourselves.
We never expect anyone or anything to be anything but themselves, and let their actions and behaviors be the ultimate factor as to how we interact with them, regardless of marital status, gender, or seeking preferences.
J
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Unfortunately, there is VERY common belief among single males that all or most swingers are into the cuck lifestyle. I mean, how could any self-respecting man let his significant other fuck other men if he wasn't a cuck? We've actually heard single guys say that. And we can't count the number of times over the years that we've been approached online or even in person at parties and meet-ups by SM's who have this misconception. There are plenty of cuckold-specific websites online for people who are into that dynamic.
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