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Breaking the 4th wall - meeting a swinger in a vanilla situation. - [quote=BLUEIDKAT] Basically my e-mail was: "Hi, I'm James, the male half of Blueidkat, I work as a sales rep for a national beverage company and consequently call on a lot of retail locations along the Wasatch Front. The other day I was at Blah business in Blah City and noticed someone who looks a lot like you. I know with all the swingers in Utah I must bump into some, everyday, and not realize it. It was so cool to possibly recognize a lifestyler out there in the vanilla world and just wondered if I was right." I understand the whole fear of being stalked and the need for anonimity but are we that afraid? Do we need to be?[/quote]Hey Blue, I know you guys didn't mean anything sinister! But yeah, that'd give me a bit of the creeps. If others read this, I'm sure they'll pipe in with some righteous opinions about how right you are and golly we all need to be proud of ourselves and such because of your statement/question, "I understand the whole fear of being stalked and the need for anonimity but are we that afraid? Do we need to be?" Hopefully few others will read this so we'll not start the whole "Having pics in the profile or not" argument again! :) To answer the question/statement you articulate above, yes, some folks do need anonymity. There are those folks that have a license for their job issued by County or State governments. Obtaining that license is considered a privilege, just like a drivers' license. No, the government can't search you or do medical tests on you against your will -- unless you want to drive. Then you acquiesce to their demands because you want that license. No, the government can't fire someone for perceived violation of a "morality clause" found in a licensing application. They can, however, deny or publicly harass a person about a license. Without that license many folks lose their job. Not good. So for some folks anonymity is not a matter of guilt or shame, but actually becomes a necessity to protect against a threat to their families livelihood. For me, I'm not paranoid or anything but I see absolutely no reason to expose myself unnecessarily. If someone I've met and actually KNOW approaches me away from the swinging scene, I'm totally fine with it, but an anonymous letter from someone I've never even met would bother me.

Ways to point out Swingers in public - - How about black silicone ring on the pinkie finger - both male and female- match them and you have a swinger couple !! New code for all of us ??? Or 2 stacked rings on the pinkie meaning shared ?

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Blindfolded Gangbang 12/13 in Murray - - **UPDATE** We have 4 reliable tall attractive guys coming. We did this a couple weeks ago with +4 and with everyone staying for round 2 it was all she could handle, even had to shower in the middle of it. So we are capped with single males. We have a few more that would like to join but we need another couple with a PARTICIPATING female before we can add more. We are totally laid back, comfortable and fun to be around. The males invited are also fun and comfortable. So,if there is a couple that would like to join, please PM YOUR KIK USERNAME. With work restrictions, this is the only way we can have a conversation, and you will need to live pic verify on kik. Sorry if that is too much, but with all the fake couple profiles here we must have that in order to be invited. DO NOT CONTACT us if both parties are not 100% in and 100% excited to join us and can bring that fun vibe with them. We will have enough fun as it is, but we are swingers and love to share. PM you KIK username and be able to answer a few questions and live verify together.

Xmas carols for swingers. - - Rudoulph the Big Cock Reindeer....Had the biggest cock ever known....and if you ever it saw it would very surely grow!!!

RV Swingers? - - Well, shortly the wife and I will be buying a new RV and traveling full time for a few years. Is there anyone from the lifestyle that are full timers? We are pretty excited to get out and travel some and meet new peeps.

SLC Couple for MFM+M+M - Wife wants small gangbang - [quote=Sm435]The problem here is you are in Utah. Think of how many gorgeous but divorced women are here, 30-40’s, lived a suppressed marriage for years and now want to have fun, but still have the “can’t be single” mindset. Meaning those sought after single guys just don’t stay single long. When you travel outside of Utah you do meet these guys that have been joining us swingers for years. The ones here that have years experience pop in and out based on relationships.[/quote] Yep, this sounds familiar. After a long relationship that has ended due to circumstances beyond my control, I'm popped back in and would be interested in helping to satisfy most fantasies.

cuckold couple - Just curious - Cuckolding usually refers to a humiliation element - a woman is with another man while husband or bf gets off on being shamed, humiliated, knowing she is with someone else, hearing how much better or bigger they were, etc. It's fetish that some enjoy. Not something I would enjoy personally. There's also 'hotwife', which is more where the man enjoys seeing or hearing about her with other men, seeing her pleasure, seeing how desirable she is, aroused by the sight or hearing about it more from pride and appreciation of her sexuality, beauty and pleasure. This can be at different levels - from merely bragging about a sexy wife and having men acknowledge that, to her flirting and teasing other men but always coming back to him, to minor or major sexual adventures. 'Cuckolding' is usually seen with a derogatory and humiliating element as a fetish, while 'hotwife' is pridefully showing off or sharing. Although, both terms are used interchangeably at times, they have a different connotation. There's also cuckquean - a woman who enjoys her man being with other women coupled with derogatory or humiliating elements. There's probably a male version of 'hotwife' - 'sexyhusband'? - but I'm not aware of any particular term that's popular. Personally, I get the hotwife/sexyhusband idea much better. We both take pride knowing we're desirable to others and yet committed to each other. That's probably the general feeling most swingers have. Cuckold/cuckquean isn't a necessarily a bad thing (if both are into it), it works for some people, but many find the humiliation element not enticing.

KSL swing story - - The story was terribley produced. Little to no research. As I said in the thread leading up to KSL being at the Club 90 party, they decided what story they were going to write before they even put pen to paper, and they were not going to let the truth get in the way of their story. I particularily liked the way it played women to be victims in the Lifestyle, especially when everyone knows it is women that really run the show and have the biggest say-so in who a couple plays with. Also, in surveys of swingers when asked "Who's idea was it to start swinging?" 34% of the time it was the wife that first brought it up. Sure, men still accounted for 54% of the survey (the rest couldn't remember who's idea it was originally), but it's not the men wanting sex with other women and drawing their poor defenseless wife into the lurid underground world of wife swapping to do it. Hell, anyone who's been around it for a while knows it's more "husband swapping" anyway. :p I've been following the comments on KSL's website, and these people have no life. They wait to watch the news every night and then add their two cents to every subject. None of them have any idea what they are talking about. As Ozzie Guillen says about arm chair coaches and sportscasters "the farther you sit from the plate the smarter you think you are." LMAO But all the comments are along the same lines, the evil cheating husband luring his innocent, unsuspecting wife into the seedy underworld. Then you get the fake profile they put up and within "six days, 70 married men, most from Utah, ask to start a fling." LMAO Damn, how many couples get emails every day from "free member" married men looking to cheat? We get at least one a day. The same old story over and over: Married Mormon family man who says "I love my wife but she doesn't like sex". These people need to look within themselves. We're not the problem, they are. Plus, most of us won't play with cheaters and after a time we've become very adept at sniffing them out. My wife gets at least one married Mormon man a day sending her an IM on her personal Yahoo! Messenger ID, and they find her in the Yahoo! directory (not Yahoo! Personals, the directory). They just go through looking for women online to contact. They don't know she is a swinger. Her Yahoo! profile is innocent as can be. If they are going to cheat they will find a way, with or without swingers. Wow... I'd love to say this on KSL's site, but like fun4usxx said, it will just add fuel to the fire and you can't win. You can't fix stupid. Mr. Caress4u