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Swingers now officially a high risk group for STDs and STIs - Do your own research - [quote=KINKYPANTZ][quote=DELICIOUSLYWET]We have done our own research and we have come to the conclusion that...... Swingers are now officially considered a High Risk group for STDS and STIs just like gay men and intravenous drug users. Google it, call the governmental entities that research the statistics. Ask your doctor and decide for yourself. Do your own research. I was initially going to site a number of research studies but I think it has more impact if you do your own research. Get tested and go through a quarantine period and then get tested again. We did and we now know we test clean of everything including the cold sore virus. We were lucky hell we are lucky and we have decided luck is not enough. We have re-defined in very certain terms what we will and what we won't do and who we will and who we won't consider full swap sex with. Decide for yourself but do the research and get tested. [/quote] I didn't find an article when I googled your topic, more recent than 2010. Also the bit about swingers being in a high risk category specifically notes an average age of 45+ and of course I'm not saying that isn't applicable to some here, but come on! No wonder you didn't include links to your research... I will tell you what makes me want to be monogamous, maybe even celibate - reading these forums! -Mrs. Kinky[/quote] Looks like you have been reading and you did run across the Dutch research study. 2010 and 2009 here at home are in many cases the most recent data depending on what you are looking for and where you are looking. Compare those statistics with earlier studies and you get an idea of increases in risk. Data analysis is far more tedious and boring than the forums post I offer on this subject. It was not so simple for us as to just read a few articles. It is possible that the risk has gone down. I sincerely, hope that is true and we are overestimating the risk. Perhaps more people are self identifying as swingers and so more people with positive test are being included in the data as swingers. What I do not see is any real attempt at systematic education or intervention. Nothing that would suggest a reason for improvement within the community. If swingers do not, as a group, come out of the closet as far as their healthcare providers and organizations that monitor such things like the CDC are concerned and allow for data compilation sufficient for real numbers analysis we may never really know what we are or not dealing with. It is evident that the number of people in the swinging lifestyle using technology to at least try and hook up is far greater than the numbers self identifying as swingers in clinical observation and testing. Maybe the percentages of people getting tested right here in Utah that self identify as swingers that are testing positive is much higher than the percentage within the broader swingers community that are positive? Technology makes hooking up so much easier and it make for lack of a better term marketing the potential rewards within the lifestyle experience so much more available as well. Should technology not afford an opportunity or a forum, for the consideration of potential solutions to a problem we all recognize exist to some degree? Lets say I am an alarmist. Would not most of you like to know the real story? Well, really knowing the real story is only possible if the whole community gets tested. Knowing your own personal STD story is only possible through testing as well. Is it perhaps possible that education and full battery testing just might be made more affordable and convenient and still remain anonymous if the community was willing to seek it out? As far as infectious disease is concern the CDC is really not judgmental. No community is an island and all communities have some effect on all the rest.

Secret Swingers Club Ogden, UT - Clubs - The Facebook group just provides information on upcoming events. Keep in mind that it is not just a lifestyle bar, so there are non lifestyle people there as well.

LDS Swingers Survey - Will any former/active LDS swingers take my survey? - Can't wait to see the results. I have often wondered this too

Finding a balance - Swinging and Religion - - [quote=ABCMAN]http://www.libchrist.com/swing/happysafestudies.html someone asked about Christian swinging groups...we'll here ya go. I think the animosity in Utah about religion comes from one direct source in most cases (LDS Church).. but of course some of the Christian (fundamentalist...bible beating) crazies can drive one crazy as well. The reality is that I have not seen a man made religion yet that isn't focused on control of it's flock. My question is how much did Christ push the idea of a church and how much of it was his disciples and Paul later on in the bible. Cliffnotes, I actually think you make a good point...context is so important in reading ancient documents, and the bible would classify as one. To use 21st century definitions or perceptions is useless in understanding 60 AD Jerusalem. I do think that you make a good point regarding David and Solomon, but of course the counter to that is that the Lord gave them their wives and concubines (,,,,Joseph Smith and the Mormons think this way...) Personally I don't see why a GOD would only give a King many wives and not the common bloke out in the wheat field, and frankly I wouldn't put much stock in some Old Testament tale or atleast the justification for them having many wives. I'm sure God really didn't give them anymore then anyone else. As for swinging, my personal feeling is that if your intent is not to harm, be in physical, be it emotional, then go for it. But that can cover a wide range of possible situations. I think there are ethical issues that always need to be addressed if your going to last long in the lifestyle. #1 Don't break rules you and your significant other set up between one another, and always communicate. #2 If it isn't a gift to one another, then maybe you need to reevaluate why your doing it. #3 If your looking at it as an escape, then you maybe doing harm to your partner or another persons marriage. #4 If your single and looking for a long term mate, then don't covet some other persons spouse, no matter what they may say or do. If he/she is falling for you, then do the ethically thing and break it off. It just causes harm to everyone involved in those situations, and don't think for a minute that you won't suffer long term ramifications from that type of situation. I'd let the couple work it out or they leave on another before I'd get involved again with that person. #5 Safe Sex, not only for you but your partner and others as well. (Golden Rule) if these sound patronizing then I apologize, but personally this is the approach I've taken, and my wife as well. So far it's worked out well. [/quote] Good post! By Groups I am talking about the groups that will soon be available on this site. In another site there was a group called Christian Swingers, it was very interesting and educational. I seem to remember a LDS swingers group also. But that is a good website you posted.

Do you mix your vanilla and lifestyle friends? - - We tell anyone who is a late night friend, ie: serious friend, vanilla or not that we have an alternative lifestyle. It has made things so much easier. Our vanilla friends are closer. We make it very clear that we don't have any interest in sex with them for concerns about ruining what is a already a good relationship. I am not talking, work vanillas, they don't need to know. I am talking about people with whom we go dancing or bar hopping. Why lie about who you really are? The whole reason for jumping the hurdle that is the "lifestyle" is to be free with who you really are. Then you are supposed to hide it with people who are supposed to really care about you? Nope. Because of this, it is really cute when we throw a party or get together. The vanillas spend the whole time excitedly trying to guess who the swingers are. Most of the time it doesn't take much to guess. This reminds me of what got us started on this course. We threw a mostly vanilla roller skating party with some vanilla friends. They invited a whole bunch of people and we invited a whole bunch of people. We invited 3 couples who were swingers who did not know or probably didn't care to hide what they were. The vanilla couple invited once swinger couple totally unaware that they were swingers. We got very outed that night. lol It went really well so it carried over as a "good idea". Piper

An Open Letter to Administration - What's the Mission? - FL4FUN: Thank you...finally a voice of reason. :) Seriously people...there are numerous sites dedicated to Swingers. Most are area-specific. If you want a truly "national" so-called swinging website, why not join AFF: the Walmart of swinging sites? You can't blame us Utards for having a fairly active if not colorful forum board...not to mention the most active swinging community of any that we have lived in. Google your own areas for swinging sites, you're bound to find one more appropriate for your geographical location. In the meantime...can't we all just get along (even living in different states)? Diversity is a spice of life.

Swinger cruise - YOLO cruise on Carnival Legend (April 26th) - Hi everyone, As many may already know, YOLO cruises is having the first ever swingers-only cruise leaving out of Tampa this coming April 26th. My wife Josee an I will be attending and hope to see many of you come along as well. Josee & Marc

Bi - - Well, Utah does has one of the highest if not the highest population of gays per capita. So we know there are a lot of bi-men here. But this is still a very conservative state and they like to keep things under wraps. We've found in most religious societies there are large groups who push away or break away from what is socially acceptable in that area. In rural Utah there are some towns that are 100% Mormon, yet in Salt Lake City the numbers are less. I thinks its 65% non Mormon to 35% Mormon. Our profile name is bi-couple, but I (male) am not attracted to men, but to the Transgender. I am more attracted to Feminine energy that the Transgender carries not the Masculine energy of men. We believe that there are three sexes, male, female, transgender. Yes that means that a person could be Tri-sexual. We are a very,very open couple and consider ourselves to be more Polyamorous, than swingers. But we respect all sexualities and lifestyle choices.

Disabled Swingers - - The opportunity for me to play with someone who has a physical handicap/disability has never presented itself. And I've never even given it much thought, one way or the other. But I see absolutely NO reason why it would enter into my decision on whether or not to play. There but for the grace of God go I.

Are swingers moral? - Who determines what morals are? - Neuroscience makes morality out to be largely born in and more complicated than just "stuff god doesn't like". For example, what one may see as an immoral act may in fact be quite honorable to someone in that person's in group. A gang banger seems immoral when he kills a rival gang member but a soldier is doing the same thing except that we call the gangs nations. What religion manages to do is take false credit for morality so that it can attach additional memes on so we get motivated to do those too. This amounts to "lying is bad so sex must be bad too". The problem with buying into that logic is that not everything churches say are bad actually are and can even override true morality. For instance, a religious hatred of homosexuals. This doesn't always happen and there are many influencing factors (again morality is quite complicated according to neuroscience) but it is often a potent driving factor. The short answer is that the more people you include in your in group the more people you will act morally toward.

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