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Swingers in China - Doh! - - [b][i][/i][/b]It's nice to know that even in a "godless communist state" they suffer with the same crazy morality police that at times try and take all the fun out of life.[b][i][/i][/b] I wonder if some of the people form Utah (of Georgia, Florida, or any other state I guess) went over to help them draft their laws I love the numbers of people on the swinger site (21). I don't think Swingular has to worry about a China takeover to the swing web page business BEIJING

Do women throw themselves at married men? - - For those of you that would like a quick and concise answer the the OP's question I would offer the following: NO!! For the benefit of the one insomniac that wants to read a little more I will offer the following: Having been married to only one woman for over thirty years and with the two of us having become swingers in the last 9 years I have pondered and discussed this very subject or something nigh unto it with Mrs. Delicious. In my experience few intelligent women, with some self esteem, throw themselves at men married or otherwise. Women and men do develop fondness and feelings for people they get to know and that can grow to esteem and maybe even desire. Happily married men that are friendly and not a rake hitting on every girl around seem safe because they are approachable without hearing the tired old come on lines. A man that can socially interact with attractive women without sexually harassing them enjoys a lot of advantages. Therefore women in the work place or other social venues tend to get to know just such men. There are all sorts of intimacies, kindnesses and appreciations that men and women need and desire from each other that are not sexual or at least overtly sexual. People that are good at sincerely giving these sorts of reassurances and moments of recognition and appreciation to others tend to make friends and friendships can sometimes become flirtatious and flirtatious friendships can become important and lead to fantasy and so on and so forth and can eventually escalate into sexual intimacy if both sides are headed down the same pathway. This is particularly true if someone discovers just such a friendship and their relationship with their significant other has digressed to a point that the relationship has become mostly significantly combative. In the case that the married man is actually happily married and not willing to cheat then it would just remain a fantasy. So no, I do not believe that women throw themselves at married men but yes I believe women do fall into fantasy and even into love with married men and the same can be said for men smitten with a married lady with which they have become friends. I have had female friends over the course of many years of being married and of being alive and out there in the world develop a crush on me and a few have expressed a desire to have an affair. Usually it has been a woman in a relationship that had become verbally combative. No I never have had any such affair. The only sex outside of marriage for me occurs as a swinger with my dear wife fully aware and usually present. We are frankly very much paired up as a couple but just not quite monogamous. I was never and I still am not the aggressive guy with the hard press come on lines. Being a gentleman that opens doors can open a few doors unintentionally over the course of a lifetime. In the swing world all the rules change to some extent in that sex is usually not pursued out of a desire to physically express love and romance toward someone that is in your mind and in your heart throughout the day and follows you into your dreams. In pursuit of swing sex women will possibly or probably be more focused on the sexual desire rather than the emotional desire to express sexually toward someone special. Therefore come on lines may well be appreciated so long as the lady thinks the guy with the lines might be really good in bed. There a few women single or married that are on the sexual prowl 24/7/365 kind of like some single guys in a swing site (That was a joke

Other activities? - Do you only meet swingers for sex? - No it is not just for sex although that is a really fun part of it. Some of the things we have done with couples that we swing with inlude, going out to dinner, go to a movie together, go to a play, go to a concert, go shoot some pool toether, go bowling, invite them up to our cabin for the weekend (yes we have had couples come spend an entire weekend at the cabin and not play even though we had before and since). We like to go hiking together, fix a fun dinner in at our place in town or at the cabin and enjoy. Other things have included some plane old fashioned helping out stuff like working equipment or building something. Lots of things we like besides fun and frolic in the bedroom, but we like that too.

What really defines a TRUE swinger? - - I think we are what we wish to be so I had better explain this. Swingers are strictly defined as a couple that trade partners in sex. Couples that invite singles into their play are not swinging by a normal

When age matters.... - - To me it seems it really is a matter of attraction and yes everything is relative. With most of us wanting some level of anonymity as far as public pictures are concerned our profiles are unwrapped packages. Our profiles display numbers for age, weight, etc., and we probably all consciously or unconsciously make erroneous judgments based on those numbers. I have a friend I work with whose weight, by the numbers, would turn some people off. A photo would do her partial justice unless you didn't like tattoos, which about cover her. To see her in person, with that smile, those eyes, her enthusiastic yet thoughtful hyper animated self, she is very attractive. To know her personality, well she is the kind of lady everyone wants to at least live next door. Pebble Rock forgive my old dude ramble, but I think that at least for me the more I esteem and enjoy other people as they are for who they are the more I esteem and enjoy my own company. If sex at some point happens then great and if not then that is fine too. I do not approach anyone with the expectation save the Mrs., and she toward me because we have established for thirty years that we really like each other. To harbor a can we fuck now, can we fuck now, can we fuck now attitude with am eye singly fixed toward sex could lead to disappointment due to the unmet expectation. I enjoy the vanilla world and vanilla people immensely and so why would I not enjoy that same sort of human non sexual intercourse with people that are that are swingers where the possibility of sexual intercourse also exist. It is a possibility and if you jump in the water with no expectations and a positive attitude perhaps a probability with some delightful people. As for rejection just because someone does not want to have sex with you does not mean there is something wrong with you. As for the hyper critical sorts, I find that the appearance first and always foremost attitude that some swingers display is really unattractive but only malevolent when they go on the attack to insult others. I really have a hard time believing they are really deep down that shallow. They are also most probably mostly wonderful people just trying to find themselves and feel accepted just like all the rest of us. As for age cut offs. We do not have any so long as they are consenting adults. We began swinging when I was 49 maybe 50 and she was 43 maybe 44 and we have had sex with one couple in there twenties quite a few times, and one couple they also know once that are also in their twenties, a number of couples in their 40s a few times and a few times with one couple in their late fifties that are now in their early sixties. As for singles our lovers have ranged from their twenties to their forties. We have been so busy as of the last two years that we do not get out much, hence we have not played much either, but the last time we actually went to a meet and greet almost a year ago we met a delightful sexy couple in their early 40s that are also extremely busy that we do not see enough but when we do it is most gratifying in most every way possible. Have we had people try and manipulate us into sex or or be rude to us? Yes we have. Have made some mistakes ourselves as swingers? Yes we have. You cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. In a few months after finishing a couple of goals we will be back in the swim on a more regular basis with no expectations. Just knowing the possibility is out there is exciting in and of itself.

Somebody already said this - Need to know where to go since Habits closed - [quote=HFUN]hey club 90 has had its share of swinger partys and no one knew it was a swinger party except the swingers who were meeting and its just a block away from sandy station..so..[/quote] Yep! We go to Club 90 a lot and have enjoyed our time there. Have been to plenty of meet and greets. Been going there for 10 years.:)

On the road again - Frequent Travelers - Interesting thought It would be fun to meet other swingers on the road for the purpose of hanging out, not swinging....

How to find other swingers - - This has been discussed before, however we never weighed in so it is new to us! LoL. Over the years, we have seen a number of pendants and charms designed to identify swingers through out the internet. They ranged from the elaborately ornate, to the swap meet 10k gold overlay variety. I have yet to meet a "swinger" who owned one. Luvbugs! (mR.) :) Oh yeah, P.S. If you really want to meet "swingers" I would suggest the internet. It sounds entirely too good to be true to me, but I have heard that there are MILLIONS of 'em on the internet. Rumor has it that they congregate together in large online groups where they share pictures, stories, and sometimes...even get together for crazy group sex. I know, it sounds crazy...but I would look in to it if I were you. *wink* ;)

Vegas News report on swing clubs/house parties - Must be an election year - Tonight here in Vegas, KVBC did a report about swingers clubs here in Vegas. They snuck in hidden camera and recorded shots of the inside of one of the houses. There are about 4 different 'homes' that hold parties on weekends. These homes are quite large, well over 2500 sq/ft. Each has their own process for gaining admission and different fees. But they are held as private house parties not clubs and the fees are kept to a minumum to just cover operating cost not for profit. They did not mention the businesses here in town that operate for profit. It doesnt help that the prime one they hit with this report is about two blocks from the main Mormon church here in town. Here is a link to the report. http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4946157

Are there any real players on this site? - - [quote=Willplay]I guess I don't mean "players" so much as "people who like to play". I am always courteous, polite and I think friendly, but wondered why so many people join these sites if they're really not interested in interacting with others with similar interests. Perhaps it's just a bunch of men posting pics of their wives or girlfriends in the hope of others doing the same. Anyway for those of you who are real, a friendly response to a "hello" or "friend request" even if it is "no thank-you" is much appreciated. AT least we'd know there are real people out there! [/quote] There are plenty of people here who like to play. WHO, exactly, they like to play with is the overriding question. As some have pointed out, geography is somewhat against you here as well as the fact that you're a single male and, for some, don't bring as much to the table (i.e. a partner). But there are plenty of people who play with single males. It's just that with single males it's DEF a buyers market and those who play with them can be, and often are, very choosey. Simple supply and demand. And I know it's hard for some guys (not saying you're in this category) to not think that all swingers are DTF anyone, any time, anywhere. Market yourself wisely. Find your target audience (Read profiles METICULOUSLY to make sure you know someone is looking for someone like you.) and, most of all, be patient and you will eventually find people to play with.