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We have heard about it many times........... - Couples that are swingers - It's unfortunate that you've had this happen to you, and apparently twice with the same couple, no less? While unfortunate, it's also par for the course. Perhaps one of the most cliche and over-used phrases we see appear on profiles is "drama free", and we always take that with a grain of salt. The truth is there is no such thing as 100% drama or issue-free couples. Even if they insist on their drama-free status, we also realize that we are all human, and these things are bound to happen from time to time. The key is not to find the ideal couple but to find the couple that deals with life (swinging) ideally. Find couples that are efficient and adept at dealing with issues between themselves, and are not so selfish to let things get as far as the bedroom before unresolved issues they have in regards to swinging arise during play. We've had a few situations like that...and they've always been deal-breakers for us. We simply don't have fun if we have to work that hard at making something happen. However, as a consequence, we've become very successful at filtering and weeding out those couples from the get-go. It's really not that challenging, because there is so much that you can read from people simply by observing them, their body language, how they interact with each other, how they compose themselves while you talk about a potential play dates with you, etc. Even if they're not inclined to be verbally honest up front with you two in a direct fashion, it's typically obvious in their behavior what their true expectations are. Asking direct questions about expectations has been mentioned and is always an excellent idea. We've found little things along the way that we take for granted as being non-issues for us are actually huge issues for other couples. Preferences for foreplay, whether or not kissing is allowed, and if so...kissing with tongue. What about oral, is that acceptable? You see, for us they are acceptable, but we must establish that they are with other couples. We've also found that more drama tends to be centered around the males in couples (sorry fellas). I'm not stereotyping here, but this has been our experience. We've had more than our fair share of guys that are ok with everything from girl on girl play, to my girl on him play, to both girls on him play, but once his gal plays one on one with another male besides him....oh Lord, the drama starts! Swinging has been one of the funnest decisions we've made, cuz we've made it that way, and we elect to avoid the drama at all costs, and that keeps things light and fresh. We know for every couple or bad experience we come across, there are 10 more good ones just around the corner. :) ~J~

Swinging and LDS... - Are the two compatible? I know this is a huge can of worms... - [quote=SIREROS]I find puzzling the judgment of others by those that seem so adept at mental contorsions as some of these people have clearly perfected. [/quote] There are cult books out there that show how and why any human can get stuck in these logic loops, even if they weren't raised in the church they can get stuck in them. And its especially hard if it's something you were born into, your biological urges screaming at you to disobey it. And the fact is the LDS church has given so many different commandments over the years that it is very hard to follow them all. 1) no pool tables 2) no playing cards 3) no rated r movies 4) may wear only 2 total earrings, but they can be 2 pearl. 5) only get a tattoo if you are polynesian and your cultural heritage commands you to get one 6) to be in a bishopric or higher, the only facial hair permitted is a neatly trimmed mustache above the lips only. May not go below the corners of the mouth. 7) girls have to wear pantyhose to church, naked legs are not allowed (bless that 70 - love pantyose) You should really look into cult dynamics to understand how the human brain locks you into staying in a cult, especially if you were born & raised, and every family member is in it, and how it can happen to anyone of any intelligence level. And being in swinging might be a good way to help them learn to be more open in their respect for others. I know several swingers who got out of he LDS chuch by swinging.

Creating an Amazing Swingers Profile - How to market yourself better - Nicely done! We agree with all your comments. However, this means we need to go update our profile. Way to create more work for us, thanks a bunch! AND we need to get a couple who has met us to verify us. So much to do, so little time.

What really defines a TRUE swinger? - - Single swingers rock.

Swingers Club - Swingers Club - Clearfleld would never approve the club if was officially a swingers club but the cliches could send a subliminal message. Make the logo a hand wearing a black ring holding a upside down pineapple. Charge a reasonable cover charge for couples, no cover charge for single females, and an outrageous cover charge for single males and then allow them access to about 1/8th of the club. Have the seating be about 80% sex swings and people might catch on as to what the club's theme really is. Don't forget to include a lot of lava lamps. Offer special pricing available on drinks with names like "Sex on a Beach" or "Sweet Tight Pussy". Make toga Thursdays and booty call bingo Wednesdays regular weekly events and only play music that has a lot of obvious sexual content. As for the meatballs I now feel so stupid that I never realized, until now, that the Chinese Buffet on State Street and 45th South was a covert swingers club.

Go turn on Oprah - re:swingers - Looks like that show is on again tomorrow (sat July 1st) around noon. That's 12:35 for us in Utah.

Secret Swingers Club Ogden, UT - Clubs - [quote=DOOGLE83]Oh wow! That is awesome to know![/quote] It must be hit or miss. We have only gone once but it was dead. No one really talked to anyone other than those they came with. We had high hopes.

Question - do you talk about other swingers? - We do talk of different experiences, however, never do we "name drop". It is very important to not kiss and tell, we have even gone as far as to not let our testimonials be availble for people to see, its great to know what another couple thinks about ya but, too much info is givin sometimes....I really don't want everyone knowin how many people or what we have been up to, most of the time..just my 2 cents... mrs. Tart:)

Age - New to the swingers community - is age a factor in how a couple is viewed? - I don't know about an upper limit, but we will not "date" anyone under 21, sorry all you young ones. We feel like if your not old enough to drink, your not old enough to party with us. Legal is legal. T&K

Looking to establish a group of safe swingers - - It sounds like a great idea, we too are also looking for people that we can trust and let it all go. Count us in.!