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Swingers In Uniform - Pay your memorial day respects here. - I whole-heartedly agree with your statement...as I mentioned earlier in the thread...I spent 20 years (and two wars) of my life defending the country and it's constitution...and the constitution guarantees everyone the right to say just about anything (short of perjury) they want... As much as I dislike what was said, I have spent my life defending his right to say it... This whole thing brings back a memory...many years ago (please excuse some of the "wording" as it's not meant to offend, it's simply exact quotes of others)... When I was a young Second Lieutenant, my unit was sent to do "riot control" for a large march by Hosea Williams and his group...as you can guess, the Klan, skinheads and other distasteful groups planned to (and did) show up to "counter protest"...my unit was scheduled to be deployed between the two groups... The night before, I was talking to my platoon...talking about the possibilities of the next morning when the march/protest...hoping that I might prepare them for the verbal abuse they were sure to endure, we talked about it and how to react...my platoon sergeant (who happened to be black) asked me "So sir...are you saying they might call me Nigger?" Of course, it was said tongue in cheek...he KNEW that is what we were talking about...knew it was going to happen...and simply put us all at ease by just saying it and getting it out in the open...his response was so true: "Sir, those are just words and I really feel sorry for those people who have so much anger and hate in them that their only outlet is such an ignorant display - if they were really capable of expressing themselves intelligently they wouldn't have to resort to that - when I remember that, I realize just how much I feel sorry for them...and it's hard to get mad at someone you pity" - plus, I'm a soldier and I have sworn to protect their right to call me a Nigger"... At that, everyone in the room laughed quite loudly...my platoon sergeant was quite the philosopher if you ask me... SO, Don Juan...free free to make all the comments you want...no matter how ignorant, angry or uninformed they may be...I will continue to defend your right to do so...if you ever come to realize just why you are allowed to say those things without fear of persecution, maybe you'll change your mind...

SexynPC - Traveling. Looking for suggestions - Amsterdam is full of swingers club, I’ve heard good things about same place but there are a lot of options. The red light district is in the center of the city and it’s fun to walk around and check out the prostitutes. Then check out a live show at the banana bar or moulin rouge.

random swingers pictures - - You mean on the log-in page?

Why so much hate in the swingers world... - - I don't think anyone is saying you should give single guys a try. No matter whether you motivations are insecurity, racism or just plain not turned on by it, you shouldn't feel pressured into something you're not into. However, it's not cool to come into a thread that's directed to those that are interested in them and spread intolerant messages about them, because you don't like them. In other words, it was an AB conversation C your way out. LOL! I don't mean that directly to you AKLIM. I mean that to anyone that would make it their mission to spread intolerance of a group out of sheer spite. That kind of shit should no exist in our community. No one is asking anyone to do something they're not willing to do, but on the same token, don't get on a soap box and spread hatred of anyone, just because you don't agree. If a single guy is at a party and you pack up and leave because you've got this preconceived notion that all single males are pigs and are just waiting for you to take a piss, so they can approach your wife, while you're away... I say this... 1) So what? Is your wife not capable of handling herself? 2) Are you not capable of saying, "Hey, Sorry man, we're not into single guys." I see that as no different that taking care of a couple you're not interested in. Quite frankly, there are far more asshole, disrespectful men in couples that we've encountered, then the single variety. I know of a very respectful single male in the West Valley area that was a total gentleman and opens his home to couples so that they have a haven to party naked! lol. -D-

upside down pineapple? - - The upside down pineapple identifier didn’t start in Utah, and it’s been around for years. I don’t think it’s ever become so popular that the majority of swingers use it, or look for it, but in my opinion a lot of swingers are aware of it. We see decals on cars around town. We’ve run into people with upside down pineapple tattoos. We have run into couples in Costco wearing pineapple face mask during the early days of the pandemic, and we both have mask with pineapples and wore them in Costco. No, we didn’t end up fucking anyone the in the pet food isle. Seriously, in our opinion, something like this isn’t supposed to be taken too seriously. Just have fun with it.

Threaded messenger - We want threaded messenger - Risque Soiree is a great site if you like their events, but not everyone that goes to their events are swingers.... Fetlife seems very confusing to us when trying to search for people, and even though there are swingers on the site I wouldn't classify it as a swingers site. And you will find some "damaged" people on there, more so than you would find on a swingers website (my opinion is that there are a lot more single people on Fet that are still trying to figure themselves out. And some fetishes are driven by people that have been "damaged" by others)... Kasidie is better for finding other couples but I've never seen events posted for Utah... this site lacks a lot of things, but it's the only place that posts utah events, and understands the mormon culture... we avoided the Facebook groups for a long time due to discretion, but decided to just create another fb joint account that has no links to our real world.

Playing Alone - - Couples all have different rules. Many categorically refuse to play alone with ANYONE ever. This is their "security" place. They feel comfortable in the place where they can see each other and "protect" if necessary. It takes some people a long time to get passed this. It's kind of a 'control' thing leftover from the vanilla life. I'm not saying it's bad, good or indifferent it's just the way it is. Some people take longer to get passed their histories as vanillas than others. As they progress and get more comfortable with themselves, the lifestyle, their partners then they will slowly open up and begin to trust a bit more. Don't take it personally, that's the key. Many people still hang on to their vanilla background that their partners are their most 'valued' possession. I liken it to my $450 deep sea fishing reel. Sure I'll loan it to someone to use if I'm on the boat with them and can make sure they're taking care of it. Is there anyone I'd just let 'borrow' it out right for the day or weekend? Not a chance in hell. It takes time to let go of that 'she's/he's mine' get feeling. I think my wife and I took almost 6 years before we got there successfully. We tried many times before that but it never worked out well for either of us. We finally came to a point where it's okay to play separately everything from next room to next state it no longer bothers us. I personally prefer within 30 - 50 miles so she get's home faster for the "after play" sex you're describing (which I really like too.) You'll have to find a VERY secure, VERY established, VERY strong couple to fulfill your fantasy. They are out there, my wife and I for example but even though we're open to playing separately are we open to YOU playing with her or me separately? That's a different level of trust. Does it mean no? No. It means "maybe" in time it's a possibility. (I'm speaking hypothetically of course.) Don't worry your "couple" or "person" will come along. You might also try investigating a subsection of the lifestyle called "hotwifeing" while I know few swingers who are hardcore into only hotwifing, there are quite a few that tip toe in that part of the lifestyle (quick def, she plays he doesn't except with her.) That's the post play joy for you and the play and post play joy for her. Most people just bounce between that and swinging. There are people out there just be patient and don't expect it from any current playmates that you have established rules with, they need to progress at their own speed.

Identifying Swingers! - Lots of talk and now some action! :) - I heard it means either North American Swing Club Association or National Association of Swing Clubs of America.

Meeting new swingers? - Where to meet them? - I think this is a hard one. In a small town, there probably wouldn't be a local swingers club so you'd almost have to resort to hinting around at bars or social gatherings. Obviously, you don't want to just come out and say 'Hey, we're swingers, how 'bout you?' But maybe trying to converse with a couple you may be interested in and gradually throwing out a hint here or there may be a way of going about it. Feeling out the conversation without being too forward. Maybe try to create a normal friendship with the couple at first, then introduce conversation that hints to the wild side down the road.

swingin - thought this site was a swingers site - FLCPL4FUN; was there a misspelling there.... at the end... "...... Soon Cumming" ???? remember this is a swinger's site and even the young adults have to understanding coming and cumming..... :l I took my whack at the STUFF.... (remember George Carlin; "my stuff is stuff and everyone else's stuff is shit" routine.... Wasn't my stuff, therefore someone else's.....S#*&) Need a bit of humor when a pissing contest takes 9 pages......well 8 if you consider those that have said enough is enough..... Sad sad situation.... Someone mentioned the age of 12 or 13 as being the way people were treating others... I say, if the foo shits :v