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How close is too close - - I think that the question poses a number of possibilities... If only one person is starting to feel something beyond sexual attraction then that person should step back and examine why they are feeling this way. If it is only one way then the person who is having the feelings needs to take stock of the reality of the situation and realize the potential problems involved. If the situation is mutual and noone else realizes it then the two involved need to discuss it... and they both have to weigh the situation. Why is this happening and are the possible ramifications worth the risks involved... If it is possible talk about it with everyone concerned and make a determination as to what needs to be done. I've actually heard about a situation where a couple split over a swinging situation and the lady from the one couple went with the guy from the other couple and the gal from the other couple went with the husband of the woman that went with her husband.. A real twist on the concept of swapping.... Being poly may put a totally different slant on how I look at this problem... since I am involved with a married woman. My wife and her husband are not poly... The other couple are not swingers and we are very good friend as couples... and everyone knows about she and I. It's very difficult to explain to anyone how this works but it does and it can..... So I have a unique perspective on love and swinging... or just married people and love between non married people in married situations. I would generally say, however, that swingers should not get into love situations unless you and your mate and the other couple can handle this situation.. If a love relationship starts to happen run don't walk to the nearest exit and don't turn around. Just possibilities .. There are quite a few poly people involved iin swinging...including some of the older people entering into swinging... They are looking to expand their sexual and love relationships as well. THere are also younger people in the lifestyle who are poly.. The subject has come up a surprising number of times of various swinger sites... So if you're not poly and start to feel love for someone other than you mate... Assess you first as to why... but regardless, if you love your mate....get away fromo that particular situation... Ray

2007 Tribute to the Troops - Post your media here :-) - TR was just trying to make a tribute to our troops, something posistive. Whether ppl agree or disagree with them being there, I am with Don.....THEY ARE THERE either way!!! I do believe that this site isn't the place to be debating that point. In either case, there are fellow swingers on this site that are military couples/ppl so what is so wrong with showing some tribute and thanks to them. Why turn it into a negative battle........Thanks TR for starting a thread and showing some thanks and appreciation for those serving our country. Ignore those that turn it into negativity. I am sure those in the military do appreciate your intent. I did enjoy the links....

Spanish Fork to American Fork - Utah - [quote=JoeThe1Mac]I am Looking for a Cuckold Couple or submissive married lady to use as my personal Slut. From Spanish Fork to American Fork. Remember discretion is always assured. [/quote] Unfortunately, there is VERY common belief among single males that all or most swingers are into the cuck lifestyle. I mean, how could any self-respecting man let his significant other fuck other men if he wasn't a cuck? We've actually heard single guys say that. And we can't count the number of times over the years that we've been approached online or even in person at parties and meet-ups by SM's who have this misconception. There are plenty of cuckold-specific websites online for people who are into that dynamic.

Swingers' club to shut after disabled access complaint - - It doesn't appear the issue was financial. At least not if you read the story. The way I read it, they wanted to conform, and were willing to conform, but couldn't get a building permit to make the necessary changes.

To message first or not - Do you reach out first? - We respond to inquiries far more often then we make the first contact. When we were younger we got a lot more inquiries and we also made more first contacts . We used to play almost weekly, and sometimes two or three times a week. We attended more meet and greets too. As we have aged we get fewer inquiries. We are probably not within the age parameters, that most swingers are looking for. We also have very little free time. So really it kind of works out. We have discovered that now that are kids are all grown and married etc., that almost all of our social time is family related. Its a good thing! What it has done is eliminate us from the hit most of the events crowd or the hang out twice every weekend crowd. We just can't live up to that. It's not out of obligation it's a choice. We spent far more energy and emotion as parents than we have in the swing scene. So for us spontaneity and flexibility are really key elements. We can't spend much time swinging, but we will make worth someone's time when we do hook up. For us primetime swing time was at the point in life when the kids were old enough to not need a babysitter, they needed a lot of time to hang out with friends and needed a bit of autonomy too. We could go out, while they were out playing with their friends, and play with our friends. Now that they are all real adults, happy and successful, they want to hang out. We enjoy each others company, and for us family really is paramount. We were not swingers when they were young. We really didn't have time for it. Now that our kids are adults, and are doing what we did with family, and we are involved and enjoying it, what and who fits in the lifestyle has changed up a bit. The search engine parameters, and most profiles don't address most of the deeper layers of compatibility. In the end, if you remain true to yourselves, and each other, you'll run into the right people, at the right times in your life.

shout out to the easter bunny - - Silly Rabbit, Tricks are for swingers! :) Mav

Help With Wife - Wife has fantasies but is super hesitant to experiment. - Seriously, we have five kids, all now adults, and we spent two decades happily monogamous. We fantasied about doing this sort of thing but we were so busy doing the family thing and we didn't know any swingers. I met a few people in the lifestyle that invited myself and my wife to a few meet and greets and she really liked the people. We hooked up with a couple one night, also kind of inexperienced, and we had a nice dinner on the town, and good conversation but none of us pulled the lets fuck trigger. Later the next week a guy I knew for some time, who was a long time lifestyle sort, out of the blue invited us over to his place. Well it happened and she loved, loved, loved having both of us ravish her. Next hook up with a couple it happened again and then again and again and again. Yes there have been just a few awkward moments and even a couple of embarrassing moments too, but all in all we have really enjoyed all the wonderful, erotic non monogamy. Yes we are still each others favorite lovers, and we have both had more than a few, and no, absolutely in no way has fucking other people been bad for our relationship. It's not what defines you and it is not a cause but it is a wonderful adventure you two can enjoy together. We have been swinging for well more than a decade now!!

Question for those in the lifestyle - What is the answer! - I'm not going to speculate as to who caused his dilemma, there's not information and it's one sided. I think his main problem now is VENUE. Why would you choose swinging as a method for satisfying your sexual REQUIREMENTS? You're not going to find a more unsympathetic group of people when it comes to cheating, it goes against the whole ideology of swinging. Why not open a road side porn shop in Iran, sooner our later you will have a customer but you'll mostly get dirt blown in your face. I'll give you the 4 stars for the honesty, it's always good to have a heads up you might get named in a civil suit (divorce) and have to appear in court and explain to the good judge why we were bedding her hubby and how we all met, so yes you get props for the honesty. Among our vanilla friends which includes people we work with, family members, friends of friends etc. the number of swingers pales in comparison to the number of cheaters. If this group ever UNIONIZES we are in deep doody, they have the numbers in membership. Also, I think most of the non-married single men in the lifestyle would tell you being single can be a challenge without any "issues". You would also be far more welcomed in the union group (cheaters) and they would be more sympathetic to your needs as you would for their needs. This kind of "sharing" could even lead to a long term cheating relationship, I've never seen one last but you could be the first. If there's one theme that runs through profiles I'd say "NO DRAMA" is one of the top 5 on the countdown list. Your "unique" situation has the potential of bringing great drama to couples who just like getting naked with a few friends as an escape from everyday life. You have been on this site well over 2 years, that could mean you have had a lot of dirt blown in your face and you thought it was time to mount an ad campaign. My advice, look for the UNION LABEL.

A&E New show about swingers... - neighbors with benefits.... - For the love of all things good ladies and gentlemen......get some male photos in your profiles. Its like shopping for beef at the farmers market

Polyamory - three (or more)-way RELATIONSHIPS - [quote=HALFBAKED]Hi all.... I'm writing this because Mr. Halfbaked and I finally found someone to swing with, and it turned into more...for ALL of us. Well, me and Mr, and the female half of this couple (long story, relationship was on the brink WAY before we got involved, and they broke up shortly after a few encounters). Thing was, I had already become VERY good friends with the female, and they had been a "play alone and together" couple, so we'd had threesomes with just him and just her, so we knew we liked being with just her. And my guy liked her a lot outside the bedroom, too. Anyway, long story short, we were talking and the subject of polyamory came up (not that we knew that word at the time), because he and i had developed feelings for her, and she'd developed feelings for us. So now, we are a love-triangle in a GOOD way. I am in love with him AND with her, and he is in love with her AND with me, and she is in love with me AND him. We're all in love with each other. So we just kind of made up these rules for our relationship...we have all-together time, and each couple within the triangle also has equal time with just the two. It's been almost a year now, and it's still going strong...We all live apart due to life/economic concerns, but we're thinking about combining households as we plan for this to be a permanent thing. We even want to have a "commitment ceremony" with the three of us, after Mr. Halfbaked and I legally tie the knot (he and she share the same last name, so after he and I get married, we'd all have it). The thing is, we have not found very many places to meet other people like ourselves, though we know they exist...We figured that maybe someone on HERE had some knowledge, either first- or second-hand, that they'd be willing to share. We realize that we're taking a chance outing ourselves on here....from the few people in the lifestyle we have told (we finally found a local club), that OUR lifestyle isn't necessarily welcomed. We figured it was worth it to put ourselves out there, since there are *very* few couples on here even close to local, so we wouldn't really be losing out on much. That said, if you're cool with sharing here on the forum, great. If not, and we totally understand, you could PM us...We're really just looking for other people like us....especially if they are swingers, because we still want to swing, too. Mr. and Misses Halfbaked...or maybe that's 3/4 now, lol ;-)[/quote] We have a relationship like this. We have all been together for over 5 years. She was in and out depending on what was going on in her life. Which is fine by us too. She is also my best friend too. I met her a few months before we both met Josh. He is amazing he has to deal with us lol. We dont usually find couples like us. What we find is can I play with your girls in which we ask them to bring a friend. Cause she can find a guy in 2 second just like I can. Its not hard just shake it like a salt shaker lol Anyways we all just somehow get along well and rarely fight or argue. Being poly just means you are able to cope with many people in the same family. This is also the best types of familys. As everyone works together to get the job done. Now if Morgan ever mets someone she wants more with a build a life with then we are cheering her on and we will always love each other and loving someone new is how poly love is done(= We as a couple just seem to get each other and that helps everything else just click. Hope all goes well with you all in the future and hope you find other like you as well. We are like you and thats just one more person. (=