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Mormons - - Ahh...gotcha! I have a personal "testimony" of the fact that there ARE indeed MORE than 50 real swingers in Utah! I've had a personal witness of this and my bosom burns, and I know this to be true with every fiber of my being...:) (Utah mormon-based humor there) ~J~

Speling and Swining - - [quote=IHORUS69]Turns out this lame program allows one to edit the content of your post and not the title. So you can hack on the mis-spell all you want, but you are missing the forest from the trees. Its a fine example of missing the point; anal banality-- and proves a disappointing social and emotional maturity.[/quote] I think you may have missed the point. Evildoers is one funny person. it was all in jest. Maybe I'll start a thread asking why swingers don't try harder to have a sense of humor. On a side note, I hear steroids make one irritable and judgmental.

Vegas Jan 14-16 - Any sugestions on clubs or parties? - We were just in Vegas for the week of Dec 19 and I had asked around. I was referred to a new website specializing in \"what\'s going on around Vegas\" - specifically of the naughty variety. It is new, so I don\'t know how good it is, but it *seems* to have some \"inside scoop\". Take a look at: http://www.americanlowlife.com Meanwhile, I might share my list of \"50 things to do in Vegas\" - but they are mostly personal-level things like *) Shave each others\' genitals *) Go clothes shopping and take naughty photos in the dressing rooms *) Rent a Segway on the Strip *) Sneak around the hotel halls naked *) Enjoy the \"duelling piano\'s\" bar at Harrah\'s: Twin women pianists belting out all of the songs that the crowd loves singing along with *) Try \"Fusia\" at Luxor: \"Asian Fusion\" food: really-good food with a twist. Expensive, but a really-great culinary experience *) Stay away from MOST shows: they just aren\'t worth your time or money - particularly the \"titty shows\": It is ironic that Vegas has the reputation for \"naughty\" but the laws prevent full nudity anywhere in the city - so most of the shows are really tame - for swingers. We\'ve tried \"Skin Tight\" at Harrah\'s and \"Night Fantasy\"(?) at Luxor. They were... yawn. If you\'re going to go to any show - see if you can get half-price tickets the day of the show - there are now 4 or 5 half-price ticket booths around Vegas. Many shows are worth *half* the normal price. *) Drive out to Valley of Fire and run around the gorgeous, huge Red Rocks - naked - and take pictures of each other and make love. This time of year it will be *cold* - but that just means that you\'ll have it more to yourself. *) Dress up really sexy and go out just walking around: enjoy dressing as outrageously as you dare - see-thru, low-cut, etc - and just wander around - or even go gambling and see how many heads turn when you lean over the craps table to place your bets. OK. Again. I\'ve got a list of about 50 such things. If you\'re interested, ask me. Sigh. I DO love Vegas.

Are swingers moral? - Who determines what morals are? - [quote=HELLO_KITTY12984]i like to eat babies. they taste like chickens. and chickens taste like babies.[/quote] Aw...Kitty, you been listening to Eddie Izzard again?

Single male in this lifestyle.. - I have questions for couples and single females. - [quote=jv666playful]sorry Evildoers but stupid people get my goat [/quote] Look, I hear where you're coming from. But I sort of know this guy. Never actually met him, but there was some, I guess you could say, interaction through emails. And he sort of screwed something up, kind of embarrassed me with someone else, and pissed me off. For a minute. And the reason it was only for a minute (the fact that she thought it wasn't a big thing helped, I'll admit) was that he'd made an honest, but sort of clueless, mistake. And that he really wasn't aware that not doing what you say you're going to, and not letting anyone know until the very last minute when you could have let them know a lot sooner, is a much bigger thing here than it is in the vanilla world. But now he does know, and I'd be amazed if he ever did anything like that again. And my read on him is that he isn't stupid, just ignorant, a basically nice guy trying to figure out how to navigate in an unknown territory. And yeah, this is a topic that keeps coming up. But you know what? I suspect that the guys that bring it up are actually serious about the lifestyle, and that the ones who try it and find out it wasn't the "all the girls want to fuck" scene they thought it would be just shrug their shoulders and go back to the bars. I I suspect that a lot of swingers didn't get into it until they were a couple. And I also suspect that they might not realize what it's like for a single guy, if he's one that isn't just trying to find a quick and easy way to get laid. Believe it or not, not all of them are. Me, it's a case of been there, done that. Back when "free love" was all the rage, before Herpes, AIDS, or any other really serious STD, when any guy who couldn't go out on just about any Friday night and end up in bed with some girl had to be either the Hunchback of Notre Dame or a complete and total asshole,I was a single male in the lifestyle. I sure as Hell wasn't trying to find an easy way to get laid, in those days it didn't take much of an effort at all. And you'd think swinging was easier then, with sex being such a casual, no big deal, thing. But it was actually even harder and more complicated. As Evil said, it was called wife swapping, and it was a seriously bad thing as far as society was concerned. Swinger functions, like Sinful Saturdays, Risquee Soiree stuff, Meet n Greets? No way, Jose. There were only private, invite only, parties. There wasn't any internet, if someone was silly enough to try to set something like that up and advertise in the papers (the only avenue available then), no paper was going to take the ad. Everything was word of mouth, and that word pretty much only went to couples. It was actually dangerous. There were cases (not a lot, thankfully, but some) of the local police somehow finding out about a wife swapping party, raiding it, and hitting everyone there with morals charges. Which could even cost people their jobs. That was in the '70s, it did start to sort of loosen up in the '80s, which is when I left the country and the scene, but it was still more complicated than it is today, with no internet and everything word of mouth and single men by invitation only. So why did I bother, when sex was so damned easy to find everywhere? I LIKED these people, that's why. They were ignoring what everyone thought they should or shouldn't do, and were doing what they thought was right for them. Which is how I've believed, since I was maybe 15, that everyone should be. Point being, not all single males are JUST trying to get laid. So if someone comes along who takes the time and effort to ask how he can navigate what are some pretty treacherous waters, I think he deserves to be treated as if he's serious, just a little clueless, and not be ridiculed for it. Hell, even Evil, who's quicker than anyone I know to jump on utter stupidity with both feet, and ridicule the Hell out of it, gave the guy a break and some good, if blatant and not sugar coated, advice.

Where are all the MEN - looking for men that arent afraid of furthering the aspect of sex - I am very sorry to offend all the homophobics out there especially you fun4u. I myself did not mean to generalize anyone or any group. (actually I think the guy that made the comment \"all true swingers are bi\" was flirting with me) Everyone and their experiences are different and that diversity is what makes it all the more entertaining. I do understand that pressure for anything is not fair nor acceptable. I am not forcing anyone to conform to my ideals I will defend mine however. As a person who has expanded upon experience and I am just looking for people who are equipped and capable of looking outside the box. A bad experience in any way will leave a bad taste in ones memory. Just Like a person who does not take the time for foreplay...how boring. Or does not take their time to please the partner they are with. 35 seconds and dressed again DOES become more challenging with multiple people. I myself do not wish to be fit into such a limited confine of existance I understand that many a person has had a bad experiences anal or otherwise. This, you could mostly blame on the one giving it. And that some are not interested in trying in the first place. I mean why would you try something like even having sex in the first place. Its vile and disgusting in nature. But we do it for pleasure, which had better be why you are here. But some of you have taken such offense to a topic that I assure you, has to do with pleasure. I have had more negative responses than I would have ever imagined from a group of people that are known for enjoying things that \"some\" people would take great offense to or even consider immoral. And to those of you who like to fall back on a prostate exam. The doc isnt wanting you to \"GET OFF\" in his examination room. He would have to charge more. And I think it would void your insurance coverage. Just like the nice cold speculum that women just LOVE to have their gynocologist shove in their crotch and stretch them open, but they still let us put stuff up there. So there IS a difference between an exam out of necessity and an act done for pleasure. Thank you for all your comments Lee

Cupled MEN - Info - It's not just a Utah thing. But this site has it the most since couple v single males for a lot of us old time swingers we've learned to adapt to the changes screen all request piture or not and weed out the not real head gamers to where others still think its couples only hobby.

Help us out.. Take this Survey - For Utah Swingers - So the results are super interesting, and there are a lot of early/obvious conclusions... but I'll wait to share the complete data set until there are a few more responses... (Over 300 couples have already responded, which is more than enough to be statistically significant).

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Womens underwear - - Maybe if we swinger guys all wore our wive's underwear on the outside of our clothes that would be a better way for us all to identify each other as swingers than looking for a black ring.